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Ds (13) sobbing uncontrollably about lack of hobbies and talents - where have gone wrong

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looseddaughter · 02/01/2021 22:57

Ds1 (13) has just gone to bed after a good 90 mins of ranting and sobbing over his perceived lack of hobbies and talents. He was as upset as I have ever seen him and it was horrible.

It started as I told him he'd had enough laptop for the day when he said he was going to his room and he said there was nothing else to do and it spiralled from there. We have had a pretty shit holiday in the sense that we've been in most days (isolated for a week and then obviously not a lot you can do in tier 4) so I don't know if there's an element of boredom after having been pent up but it did seem deeper.

He keep saying whatever he does there are 'people 10 steps ahead of me,' and 'I just want a hobby I can do that I'm good at and enjoy...a talent.' This was all through sobs. To be honest, it's true that he doesn't really have a hobby. He loves reading but only ever wants to do it just before bed, obviously enjoys his laptop and is a history fanatic so uses it for research, documentaries and history- based computer games. He doesn't do lego, likes the odd boardgame and doesn't do any sport except cricket, which was a nightmare last season as despite doing brilliantly in training he had a few nightmare games and did silly things like running himself out. I know he felt shit at the end of the season.

I think he tends to give up on things as soon as they're difficult. He bought some figures, again, history based, last year that needed painting and after the initial enthusiasm he got fed up of how fiddly it was and left it. Same thing happened with model making a couple of years ago. He got really into cycling last year but then seemed to just go right off it - not really sure why. He just gets these initial bursts of enthusiasm and then everything peters into nothingness. It doesn't help that he seems quite limited socially, even Covid aside, and despite having friends in school and telling me about them he rarely interacts with them outside school. Before lockdown never went out with them unless it was a party and now rarely online with them.

He's academically able and in top sets for everything with a real flair I'd say for English and humanities. I don't know if this is part of the problem as in a lot of things come quite easily to him then when something doesn't he just stops. He plays clarinet but has no real enthusiasm for it and moans endlessly about practising but insists he wants to carry on when I ask. Today he was crying about making no progress in it and I did explain (nicely) that he does the bare minimum practice so what does he expect? I was trying to say people with 'talents' or hobbies are prepared to spend hours on them and that's how they get good, which he doesn't do really, aside from cricket, which still didn't go well. He asked for a guitar last year but again had no interest in it really and it has barely been touched for months.

Earlier we'd watched a French crime drama with subtitles because he loves the genre and I casually suggested it as I like them and he's doing French at school. He's in Y9 and getting what the school call 'grades 7-9', so doing really well. However, he got really upset and said he couldn't hear any of the words he was supposed to know. I tried to explain that was to be expected but he kept saying how hard it was then mentioned a boy in his class who gets full marks every time and has apparently read LOTR in French.

I just don't know how to handle this. On the one hand I obviously don't want to pressure him and don't want him comparing himself to others in an unhealthy way, but on the other hand I kind of do think a hobby would do him good and have often felt he could do with sticking at things a bit more but I don't know how to approach it. Cricket is the thing he has devoted most time and energy to and, as I said, it doesn't really seem to have paid off. I was also trying to get across that hobbies aren't necessarily about excelling at something but are about enjoyment, but I think that's hard for him to get, especially where sport is concerned.

I also feel the usual guilt as his dad and I are divorced and I feel that disadvantages him because of living between two houses etc. Dad is a musician but has never got involved with the music practice and I feel ds is keeping it on to please his dad but also won't ask him for help. I don't really have hobbies, or not ones that are active - just things like reading, watching films, travel... not things where I actually do anything so not a good role model. Don't know - feel we have let him down and really don't know how to help.

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LadyOfTheImprovisedBath · 03/01/2021 12:43

Do you watch you tube much together as we find that’s good as it generates interest in the kids and also shows people trying things failing and considering it part of the learning process. Adam savage has produced some (de)merit badges badges along those lines – one I remember is the blue electronic smoke.

Plus history is a large are a- could help narrow down his interest:

General history:
extra history
Overly sarcastic productions

Historical weapons – if there the area of interest then it could possibly be combined with archery clubs or martial arts groups/lessons later.
shadversity

Historical sewing – whole community and defiantly inspired my teens.
Bernadette Banner her

Historical cooking
Tasting History with Max Miller

More geneall cooking
Babish Culinary Universe

Art
jazza a good place to start often set himself challenges and works out how to do things.

More general –
Adam Savage’s Tested He often has to work through problems does things wrong but treats it as a learning curve.

There load more crafters and cos players, 3 D printers and others – good place to gauge interest and get ideas for small projects.

I suspect though this is more to do with being 13 and all the uncertainty around at the minute.

LadyOfTheImprovisedBath · 03/01/2021 12:46

Duolingo is good for languages few minutes at a time - mine have like the French stories. Though I insisted they do it as they needed to pick welsh up as we'd moved here and assumed they'd be very behind.

TrailingLobelias · 03/01/2021 12:52

I was late to life with languages and realised I love them and I love learning them and have made interesting friends through them. I wish I'd taken it up as a hobby at 13. I am also in a history book club/study group. These are very good hobbies.

I just wonder do the digital generation have the discipline to sit down and study every evening after they finish their university/school or work load and housework.

WhatTiggersDoBest · 03/01/2021 12:59

@LadyOfTheImprovisedBath has some great suggestions.
I'd also suggest re-enactment as a hobby (for after Covid), and archaeology. Most areas in the UK have a local archaeology group and, like history, it's great for languages if you're better at written languages than spoken ones.
He sounds like he's just looking for his place in life.

LadyOfTheImprovisedBath · 03/01/2021 13:02

I just wonder do the digital generation have the discipline to sit down and study every evening after they finish their university/school or work load and housework.

My 15 year old this holiday in evenings after study has made a lace skirt and a victorian style jacket from her own pattern and made several items of embroidery jewelry my DS13 has learnt patching socks and clothes from his Dad and started an embroidery kit which he's massively enjoyed and youngest has made a bag and two toys one sewing and one knitting.

Both my youngest have off their own backs pervious learnt additional languages with Duolingo - one because their freind spoke it and one because he tried for a place on a trip abroad.

I don't think this generation ia any worse than previous ones - though they have access to a lot more digital resources to learn from.

LannieDuck · 03/01/2021 13:03

After lockdown ends... re-enactment? Any fencing / archery clubs nearby?

goose1964 · 03/01/2021 13:08

I'm similar and I'm an adult. The only thing I can suggest is that you can't be good at everything, the boy who said he read LOTR in French is either lying or has French as a family language. If he likes reading in French I suggest Asterix great fun but the French isn't that simple. Otherwise something he enjoys but he doesn't think he's good enough telling him that it's enough if he enjoys it.

NowellSingWe · 03/01/2021 13:09

@Ihatefish I have enjoyed your excellent posts!

TatianaBis · 03/01/2021 13:11

@LadyOfTheImprovisedBath

I just wonder do the digital generation have the discipline to sit down and study every evening after they finish their university/school or work load and housework.

My 15 year old this holiday in evenings after study has made a lace skirt and a victorian style jacket from her own pattern and made several items of embroidery jewelry my DS13 has learnt patching socks and clothes from his Dad and started an embroidery kit which he's massively enjoyed and youngest has made a bag and two toys one sewing and one knitting.

Both my youngest have off their own backs pervious learnt additional languages with Duolingo - one because their freind spoke it and one because he tried for a place on a trip abroad.

I don't think this generation ia any worse than previous ones - though they have access to a lot more digital resources to learn from.

This is great. But many children simply don’t have the maturity and self-discipline to step away from the screens - many adults don’t either. The addiction, the lure, the glamour is so strong that it’s easier just to throw hours away in virtual reality than learn real world skills which are slower to develop, less rushy and addictive.
ScrapThatThen · 03/01/2021 13:16

I haven't rtft but I would be telling him that he seems just like most people and he will get on just fine. Tell him to stop being so hard on himself and credit what he does well.

Gentianpurple · 03/01/2021 13:20

Thank you so much @Ihatefish . I love Jung myself, so perhaps she gets some of this from me. I expect she might perhaps go down an anthropology/archaeology type route eventually. She’s at a private school atm (where she discovered a love of classics) but planning to go back to state for sixth form college and not wear a uniform. And yes, loves learning, independent minded, non competitive and not at all school shaped.

daisypond · 03/01/2021 13:34

Another thing that can be useful is to focus on the process of doing a hobby and not necessarily the product of it, because the final product may not be how you have fantasised it to be. It’s the process in which you learn, grow, perhaps master something. The gap between reality and a fantasy end product can be huge. Small, incremental goals is the way to progress in reality.

alwaystea · 03/01/2021 13:40

Sorry if someone has already mentioned it but on the back of going out for walks, what about trying photography? Particularly if you have any historical areas to visit which may pique his interest. It sounds as though which he can't compare himself to others would be beneficial, just something hat he enjoys for himself. Also a mum of boys here so following with interest.

bucketofcoffee · 03/01/2021 13:46

If he likes walking and discovering new places, then get him into Geocaching.
Excellent hobby for outdoorsy people.

looseddaughter · 03/01/2021 13:55

Oh my - so many replies Flowers. I typed out a long reply and lost it first thing this morning then didn't want to set a bad example, but going to catch up now.

Thankfully she had played with the ladies and got into that team but her friend who also didn’t make the junior team can’t play any more

This is so interesting as he plays cricket for our local under 14s/13s and last summer played a few games for the third and fourth teams, which are mainly adults playing. He didn't get to do much other than fielding but said he really enjoyed it and found the other players so supportive and good company. I think he has found the intense competitiveness from his peers and their parents (many of whom gave him a hard time when he was captain in 2019) a bit much. Maybe he'll enjoy the cricket more the more he plays with adults - he's a bit of an old soul anyway!

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fluffiphlox · 03/01/2021 13:55

I’m 63 very nearly and don’t have hobbies per se. Or any outstanding talents. I think it’s fairly normal frankly. Most hobbies seem to fill your house with pointless tat. He seems a bit melodramatic.

TheSunIsStillShining · 03/01/2021 13:56

@looseddaughter
Does your DS go to an all boys school in SW London?

I've been having conversations about this exact topic with my 15 yr old. He is extremely gifted. Your son sounds to be gifted too, which might have implications.

  1. Gifted kids get used to the idea of knowing things. It's not because they are born with all info in their heads :) but they pick up info easily without repetition and combine them. Giving them a false sense of knowledge. This has the repercussion that they have (mostly) really bad study habits.
In primary -even when stretched- they are not stretched anywhere near their potential. So they get into the habit of just naturally being good at things thrown their way.

First they need to learn and understand -not just comprehend- that in order to move forward you need to put in energy.
Second: they need to be realistic about how much energy yields how much result. I find that these type of kids underestimate energy/result ratio massively. So set expectations.

On expectations.
If a kid is good in school parent have a tendency to ask or imply that they could have done better because they have the potential. If parents don't do this many school reward system will.
A natural reaction in gifted kids is that they then don't do stuff.
A) They can believe that they would have done perfectly, but nobody can fault them if they haven't even started - sort of fear of failure
B) This way they don't have to cope with disappointing their teachers/parents.

Practicals - still in flight, so no results yet :)

  1. give him responsibility. Small things that have nothing to do with brain. and have instant gratification. Help with cooking consistently,...
  1. Don't over-enable. If he likes history (ours got into it this half term massively) don't flood him with book options. Because at that point it becomes an expectation that he reads them, enjoys them, etc. And then it's not their hobby, it becomes a chore.
Acknowledge and let him know that you can help if he needs some help. Mine just asked me to promise to help him find a fencing and martial arts club when this shitshow is over. That's it. No list or plans of where he can go in x months. I promised, made a post it on the wall, move on. He has to drive these conversations.
  1. minifig (warhammer) painting. when he is upset that the outcome is crap and he can't do it, blabla.... I ask him: did you enjoy doing it? Yes usually.
Do you want to enter a competition? No. Will the paint job have an effect on your army's performance. No Then what's the real problem? And it usually boils down to: I had something in my head that looked awesome and this is not that. At this point it sometimes helps to remind him that although I have been cooking every single day for more than 20 years most of the time the food is good, sometimes really crap and sometimes awesome. And the awesome ones are the ones I've done/refined over and over and over again.... It is rare that a new recipe turns out to be fab. Edible is the aim in that case (again, showing setting expectations towards myself and not by others)
Coronawireless · 03/01/2021 13:59

@looseddaughter

Yes, you're welcome Ghost and First!

Can I ask while we al wait for advice, as a family do you do hobbies? We really don't and I often feel that both my sons would be better in families where they all went off kayaking together or the kids built a cabinet with their parents or something, but that's just not me and even less so my ex. I'm always working or doing housework just to keep it ticking over and I'm just not that active. I do interact a lot with kids, but not in a productive way I feel!

He does need to get outside more doesn’t he? He’s probably got serious cabin fever.
SlightlyJaded · 03/01/2021 14:02

@FieryPinkPepper

SlightlyJaded, can I ask which book of chords of band songs you bought, and also which YouTube tutorial you used? We also have an unplayed guitar languishing in the house!
Hello

I would have to check with DD for the YouTube tutorial - but there are loads. Some here:

www.guitarworld.com/features/the-10-best-guitar-lesson-channels-on-youtube

In terms of music, I bought her:

www.amazon.co.uk/Chart-Hits-2019-2020-Songbook-Guitar/dp/154008549X/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=pop+guitar+book&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&qid=1609682510&sr=8-1

www.amazon.co.uk/Complete-Guitar-Player-Acoustic-Songbook/dp/1783055367/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=pop+guitar+book&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&qid=1609682527&sr=8-3

and a Bastille one that I can't find now.

Really encouraged her.

Nooz · 03/01/2021 14:15

Boys here, 16 & 13 can relate to the meltdown. Things we have done that we look back in being positive.

Bought lots of wire, glue gun and pliers, screwdrivers and together took an old appliance (toaster) completely to pieces ended up with making jewellery that went on sale in a local shop, helped him out of a low time, just him not competitive.

Now they both skateboard. Massive positive

Brown76 · 03/01/2021 14:23

I was like this at his age. I found school easy, but friendships more difficult. I had hobbies but nothing competitive e.g. crafts, reading. At about 14-15 when the schoolwork started getting more difficult I was crushed, I didn’t know how to work hard, how to fail, how to deal with work that was difficult and that I didn’t immediately grasp. As an adult i can see that my whole identity as a child was ‘being good at everything’ and getting lots of praise for being neat and well behaved, but as a teenager I became an anxious, stressed, imposter phenomenon experiencing, perfectionist/procrastinator as I was so fearful of getting anything wrong or being exposed as not up to it, and of being negatively judged by adults. Just listen to him. It’s not your fault, nor is it his. Some awareness of what impostor phenomenon and perfectionism are, and resources growth mindset might help him to see that these feelings are common and give him some tools to manage his feelings. I think this about emotions and growing up and self perception and identity and not about finding him a hobby.

independentfriend · 03/01/2021 14:23

How about thinking of hobbies as things that you do for fun, that you don't have to be good at or treat like work. You can dip in and out of them as the mood takes you. You won't be as good at the activity as someone who uses the same activity for a different purpose, but that's not the point.

[Sometimes with eg. musical instruments, it's worth putting in more effort at some stages to reach a skill level that lets you have more fun with it ie. learning enough that you can play a variety of songs. It still doesn't have to become a serious academic thing where you're aiming at Grade 8 in three instruments by 15 or something.]

The concept of "good enough" might also be a useful one to introduce to challenge the perfectionism. Dinner is good enough if everything's well cooked, everyone has enough food (excluding any burnt bits etc) and there's a reasonable balance of protein/carbohydrates/vegetables.

Ihatefish · 03/01/2021 14:26

@Gentianpurple

Thank you so much *@Ihatefish* . I love Jung myself, so perhaps she gets some of this from me. I expect she might perhaps go down an anthropology/archaeology type route eventually. She’s at a private school atm (where she discovered a love of classics) but planning to go back to state for sixth form college and not wear a uniform. And yes, loves learning, independent minded, non competitive and not at all school shaped.
Sounds like you’ve done a fab job bringing her up. And always great to meet a fellow admirer of Jung. I wish your daughter every success, it sounds like she has everything she needs to succeed.
Comtesse · 03/01/2021 14:51

Everyone is a bit all over the place right now, over emotional, gets upset easily, stressed about nothing. Even teenage boys I bet. I think this is not really about hobbies, more an overflow of frustration and boredom in general.....

Lookslikerainted · 03/01/2021 14:53

Does his school have a history club? I’m a history teacher and we run history club even through Covid- it’s just moved online.

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