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To expect a phone/video call from my only child on Xmas day?

181 replies

LittleJules59 · 30/12/2020 19:40

I had a What's App video call with my son today for the first time in a few weeks. I spoilt it by being annoyed that he hadn't called on Xmas day.

He had messaged me just before Xmas to say that he would have people round for Xmas day (they are a low Covid part of the far East) and wouldn't have time to speak to me, but could do it on Xmas Eve or Boxing day.

I told him that he needed to reconsider his priorites if he was too busy to give his mother five minutes on Xmas day. It would have been 5 mins, as we've managed that in the last two years when he had friends round.

Have been unreasonable (or possibly terribly unreasonable)?

OP posts:
SchrodingersImmigrant · 31/12/2020 12:18

@BloggersBlog

Another OP who drops a debatable post then hops it
I've realised it on quite a few posts in last week. Lots of NC or new profiles with posts like this and disappearing
phoenixrosehere · 31/12/2020 12:19

and/or holidays

Shinyletsbebadguys · 31/12/2020 12:19

[quote JurassicParkAha]@phoenixrosehere

Her OP clearly states they normally manage a 5 min call on the day the last few years. I also read it as she told him at the time she wanted him to call on Xmas day but brought it up again when he did call.

Xmas eve and Boxing Day are not the same. If it was, people would be celebrating in the same way the whole week... You wish people on the day of something, that's why it's meaningful. If it's just about a chat that can happen on any day in December.

And frankly if days mean nothing, no one should call or greet people on birthdays, anniversaries, NYE. As long as you're in the ballpark of the day, that should be enough. Like work deadlines, hey I've told my boss I'll get it to her late but at least I've told her right?

If this were a woman getting upset her spouse didn't wish her on her birthday, because he was busy socialising, there'd be a completely different response. Parental relationships should carry the same respect. [/quote]
Equating the two types of relationships is definitive toxic parenting. Having been married to a man whose DM treated their relationship the same as a marriage in many many ways I have no time for this.

Its destructive , unbalanced and has long reaching repercussions. I truly hope you don't actually believe this and just think it's something pithy to win an internet argument. Hiding behind the word respect in that statement doesn't negate that those two types of relationships should be very very different in many ways.

SinkGirl · 31/12/2020 12:20

Maybe she didn’t call him because she knew he had guests, and didn’t want to interrupt at an inconvenient time?

I’m no fan of controlling parents, but expecting a short call on Christmas Day is hardly controlling. Surprised the vote is so split here.

Wheresmykimchi · 31/12/2020 12:23

@BloggersBlog I'd hop it as well if I got half the vitriol and spite OP did.

madmara · 31/12/2020 12:23

From the ridiculous accusations of "emotional terrorism", to people having to "wrestle" a turkey into the oven (I just put mine in a roasting tin; does wrestling it first make it more moist?), and the nasty people that pile on with "phones work both ways" that either can't or don't want to read the OP correctly and see that the man told his mother he would not have time to speak to her on Christmas Day, no matter who phoned who, #bekind Hmm

JurassicParkAha · 31/12/2020 12:27

@Shinyletsbebadguys

So you don't think anyone other than your spouse/partner deserves respect?! Really?

You never wish friends, colleagues or neighbours for anything? You don't greet or smile at anyone other than your partner? You wouldn't consider anyone else's feelings but your partners? You have no empathy for anyone else but your partner? You don't message or call anyone but your partner? No one other than your partner ever wishes you on Xmas or NYE or when you've had good or bad news?

This is not a case of a mother asking a son to choose between her and his spouse, so i have no idea why you're conflating your DH's issues with his own mother re: your marriage. It's a mother asking for a 5 min call on Xmas. But I assume you wouldn't even wish friends, or neighbours or talk to anyone on christmas, or receive calls/messages from anyone that wasn't your partner - so not much else that can be said.

Calmandmeasured1 · 31/12/2020 12:33

He did explain that he wouldn't be able to speak to you on Christmas day. He should have just phoned on Christmas Eve though instead, even if you didn't ask him to.

Aw, I understand you being upset. You are right that he must surely have been able to spare 5 minutes. Maybe he finds hosting stressful and needs all the time he can to prepare and host.

Please don't fall out over this. Phone him and tell him you are sorry you spoilt the call but miss him, particularly at Christmas.

JurassicParkAha · 31/12/2020 12:34

@Shinyletsbebadguys Point being, parents (unless they're abusive or toxic - and if the son thought this he clearly wouldn't be calling her at all) do not deserve less respect than you'd offer anyone else in your life.

myhobbyisouting · 31/12/2020 12:34

He should take the time to speak to his mum on Christmas Day.

Vivi0 · 31/12/2020 12:41

[quote JurassicParkAha]@Shinyletsbebadguys Point being, parents (unless they're abusive or toxic - and if the son thought this he clearly wouldn't be calling her at all) do not deserve less respect than you'd offer anyone else in your life.[/quote]
But that is not what you said though. You said:

If this were a woman getting upset her spouse didn't wish her on her birthday, because he was busy socialising, there'd be a completely different response. Parental relationships should carry the same respect.

So you believe that all relationships (children, work colleagues, friends, neighbours) should carry the same standard of expectation and respect as that of a spousal relationship?

JurassicParkAha · 31/12/2020 12:47

@Vivi0 Erm, yes, when it's about just wishing/greeting people on big days, which is the only thing I have commented on in all my posts. Why on earth would it not be?

Would you genuinely not feel upset if your best friend didn't wish you on Xmas, or no one at work sent you a 'goodbye' card on your last day? OR your own children got you nothing for Mothers Day? Would you really not send a condolence message to a friend going through a bereavment? How are all those things SO different to wishing your mum on Xmas? Obviously majority of the world celebrate and wish family and friends on Xmas, and big festivals - so this is hardly a concept I've dreamed up.

JurassicParkAha · 31/12/2020 12:52

@viviO How about engagements/weddings? If someone posted on here saying no one in her family had wished her (or shown up to) her engagement, or wedding?

iklboo · 31/12/2020 12:57

Ah. Ye olde 'controversial one & only post to stir it all up'.

SchrodingersImmigrant · 31/12/2020 13:02

Sorry, but Christmas are quite different to birthday (unless you are Jesus), weddings, bereavment and so on. Honestly. And I say that as a Christmas lover...

FinallyHere · 31/12/2020 13:51

told him that he needed to reconsider his priorites if he was too busy to give his mother five minutes on Xmas day.

Was that your Christmas Day or his? Time zones really do disrupt this sort of thing.

While I might agree with you as a mother, I remember as a child that this kind of message never did any good, infect as a child I would use the overreaction to dismiss any suggestion that I had been remiss.

Hope you can swallow your pride and speak kindly soon rather than leave a rift to form. Once your DC are adult, time is completely on his, not you, side.

wellthatsunusual · 31/12/2020 14:06

And frankly if days mean nothing, no one should call or greet people on birthdays, anniversaries, NYE

In my world, nobody does call for these things. And judging by my friends and family, that's not unusual. We're all close enough, we talk regularly, everyone knows that everyone else cares. But I've never had anyone ring me to wish me a happy birthday.

wellthatsunusual · 31/12/2020 14:11

I do get a few WhatsApps for birthdays but never a phonecall.

Bacter · 31/12/2020 16:13

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HeyChubbee · 31/12/2020 17:39

I hope my children want to speak to me when they are adults, but it’s completely up to them when they do, Christmas Day is just a day.

Wheresmykimchi · 31/12/2020 17:51

I think Jurassic ha a point. If a DH breathes the wrong way on here theres an outcry.

The bile towards OP in this scenario....

MrsClatterbuck · 31/12/2020 18:31

@Screwcorona

I dread having to do tha calls on christmas. I'm expected to call mum, dad, grandparents and all 7 siblings separately. It eats into spending time enjoying christmas, none of them last 5 mins. Id be happy to call 1 or 2 people but if I call one the others get offended
I think here zoom might be your friend if at all possible.
LittleJules59 · 01/01/2021 11:30

Thanks you so much for all the kind replies. I appear to have committed a social faux pas by not replying yet. A lot of you seemed to be enjoying yourselves arguing, playing the oppression olympics and venting your frustrations on your mothers. I didn't want to spoil the fun.

Anyway, if I had come back to say that I am not controlling, emotionally abusive, manipulative, whatever, I'm sure those of you who think I am, would not have believed me. There would have been a round of well she would say that wouldn't she. My controlling abusive manipulative mother denies it as well.

The important thing (for me) is that I have learned that not everyone (from a vaguely Christian heritage) does talk to their parents or children on Christmas day. It was certainly universal amongst my family and friends at one time, but perhaps that was a regional thing or is now old fashioned.

Either way, you have proved my son correct, and I have explained and apologised, via email.

I think I did mess up a bit by putting the word “phone” in the title of this post. We don't use land lines or mobile calls because that costs money. Video calls via What's App or Skype are free. We still call it “phoning” though, which is a bit misleading.

I do not generally initiate these video calls (despite knowing it works both ways), because it is more intrusive than messages and emails. My son and DIL both work from home, sometimes long days and odd hours. I have no way of knowing when they would be free for a call (except Xmas day – and I'm not going there again). So, I message or email, and they use their judgement and reply when it fits in with their workload. We agree times for video calls the same way – usually every couple of months.

They are located in the far East because the UK would not give DIL a work permit. My son had extricated himself from my evil clutches many years before they had to make that decision.

Finally, I do pleed guilty to the terrible crime of being ever so slightly jealous of his fantastic life. I am by and large very happy that he is more prosperous and happier than me. I have had a better life than my mother and a much, much better life than my grans. We all want better lives for our children, but it's only human, surely, to think you'd have liked to have done some of the things they are doing?

I think that covers everything? Bye, and thanks again for the kind comments.

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justgeton · 01/01/2021 11:34

Any mother who isn't hurt that her children don't make time to call on Christmas Day is a very strange mother I'd say.

And any child who thinks it's ok not to make time to speak to her, to make their mum sound so unimportant and irrelevant needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

OP have a hug from me and ignore the bitches on here xx

wellthatsunusual · 01/01/2021 11:43

@justgeton

Any mother who isn't hurt that her children don't make time to call on Christmas Day is a very strange mother I'd say.

And any child who thinks it's ok not to make time to speak to her, to make their mum sound so unimportant and irrelevant needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

OP have a hug from me and ignore the bitches on here xx

My mother knows she is important to me. She doesn't need me to ring her on Christmas day to show it, since I show her all the time.
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