Celebrities daughters in their underwear

[StoneofDestiny]

AIBU to think it's sadly pathetic that so many daughters of celebrities think it's a necessary step in life to raise their 'fame' by posing in their underwear - Jonathan Ross's daughter Honey being the latest.

I have no time for the likes of Karen Brady's daughter or Honey Ross, they are only in the media because of who their parents are. Their parents should stop funding their lifestyles (I'm assuming they are) and tell them to go out and get a job like other adults have to do.

Young women need better role models than women full of fillers pouting and showing off their bodies on social media.

And not all celebrity offspring end up doing this, so it's not a given. At least one of Gordon Ramsey's children has gone to university and his son recently joined the Marines. But it doesn't make headlines like flashing your knickers does.

@PimlicoJo

I have no time for the likes of Karen Brady's daughter or Honey Ross, they are only in the media because of who their parents are. Their parents should stop funding their lifestyles (I'm assuming they are) and tell them to go out and get a job like other adults have to do.

Young women need better role models than women full of fillers pouting and showing off their bodies on social media.

And not all celebrity offspring end up doing this, so it's not a given. At least one of Gordon Ramsey's children has gone to university and his son recently joined the Marines. But it doesn't make headlines like flashing your knickers does.

But that is down to the media, not the celebrities doing it. The media plays a massive role here - the same as their "Jacqueline Jossa takes a trip to the shops, looking downcast and sweeping back her bleached hair with a gloved hand"

She has repeatedly, repeatedly asked the media to get their nebs out of her family life as the fact she has been on a couple of TV Shows doesn't entitle them to infiltrate her in this way.

I take your point re Gordon and I quite like Bradley Walsh's son too. But at the end of the day celebrities are humans as are their offsprings, some will go to uni, some will work , some will be jobless, and some will accept newspaper deals. It's the way of the world.

I think celeb children are particularly annoying as they are usually so utterly ordinary, it is purely the parental connection that is getting them clicks - plus the fact they have had wealthy privileged upbringings so don't need to take their clothes off in public to survive.

At least other celebs mentioned here (Little Mix, Robbie Williams, Gemma C etc) got there on their own merits, whatever you think of them. The must have something to make them stand out from the crowd, some charisma or character. And they had to work for it. Celeb offspring appear to bring nothing to the table of any value of their own.

I read somewhere that Karen Brady takes the photos her daughter puts up in her undies.

It reminds me of Kris Jenner at Kim Ks playboy shoot egging her on...

@Frankola

I read somewhere that Karen Brady takes the photos her daughter puts up in her undies.

It reminds me of Kris Jenner at Kim Ks playboy shoot egging her on...

Puts me in mind of the Mean Girls mother!

@HeadNorth

I think celeb children are particularly annoying as they are usually so utterly ordinary, it is purely the parental connection that is getting them clicks - plus the fact they have had wealthy privileged upbringings so don't need to take their clothes off in public to survive.

At least other celebs mentioned here (Little Mix, Robbie Williams, Gemma C etc) got there on their own merits, whatever you think of them. The must have something to make them stand out from the crowd, some charisma or character. And they had to work for it. Celeb offspring appear to bring nothing to the table of any value of their own.

Interesting point, and I agree with you there. Although I do quite like thingy from I'm a celeb - Emily, with the famous mother.I think she's quite a talent.

@Wheresmykimchi

CeibaTree, I think you misunderstand this response "I don't like anything some celebrities stand for so I just don't watch them or engage with them. I don't start deciding they must get a better job and do something better with their lives.".

I don't like Gemma Collins, personally. but I don't write about how I feel some of her actions are damaging to young women. I just don't watch her, or engage with her. My point in that regard was that I'm not claiming to be the patron saint of we must like everyone and never say anything or have an opinion. But I think in this day and age there is an element of knowing when to live and let live.

Hmm I think a live and let live attitude on the normalisation of a soft porn culture is doing the next generation of women a massive disservice.

Yes we should know when to live and let live for sure, but I don’t think that this is a topic where turning a blind eye is helpful to anyone concerned. You seem to be saying let these ‘celebrities‘ behave how they like and damn the influence they are having on young people as any discourse on this subject is being mean to fellow women. I kind of see where you are coming from but as Mr Spock said ‘the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.’ If a few exhibitionists have their feelings hurt but it brings about a sea change in the way that young women relate to their self-worth then that is a price worth paying. I’m not condoning any kind of trolling or insults towards these individuals, but the discussion on this thread has (largely) not been about that anyway.

No I've definitely derailed it but in the beginning it was.

It's not about turning a blind eye. I've never said that. It's about if you feel strongly enough for change, then understanding that getting inside these girls heads is the key, rather than just assuming they are exhibitionists and love getting their clothes off because they love attention. It just isn't that deep. I don't disagree that it perpetuates the porn industry, but I don't think the sneering is the answer, if you will. I also have an issue with women referring to other women standing in their pants getting out their tits, knockers, or ass, I really do.

Tough titty.

I don't know why you've taken umbrage to me Melange, I've agreed with most of your posts!

But I did laugh at that ...

Pomposity raises my hackles. The way you post is pompous.

I don't think the sneering is the answer

I agree. The trouble is, some of the audience of these photos (i.e. anyone with an internet connection) are unable to form any other reaction. Just because people don’t like what they see doesn’t mean they can entirely understand why or how to articulate themselves even if they do. Or even wanting to be a part of the solution. You can definitely want something to stop/change without wanting to be the one putting in the effort to contribute to that.

And alas, that’s the trouble with the internet. Anyone (or anyone’s children) can post any photos they want, anyone can comment on whatever they want, and anyone can dislike the commentary.

I guess the likes of us just have to hope that someone close to these women can explain why it can be damaging (both uploading naked/nearly naked photos and calling it empowering).

@Wheresmykimchi

No I've definitely derailed it but in the beginning it was.

It's not about turning a blind eye. I've never said that. It's about if you feel strongly enough for change, then understanding that getting inside these girls heads is the key, rather than just assuming they are exhibitionists and love getting their clothes off because they love attention. It just isn't that deep. I don't disagree that it perpetuates the porn industry, but I don't think the sneering is the answer, if you will. I also have an issue with women referring to other women standing in their pants getting out their tits, knockers, or ass, I really do.

Ok but many of the posters on this thread have not used the terms you have stated or been sneering towards individuals. I think the bottom line is that the male run media is largely to blame, and the young women in question are largely collateral damage in the ‘war’ against women and women’s rights 🤷🏻‍♀️

@Melange99

Pomposity raises my hackles. The way you post is pompous.

Oh I'm far from pompous. I appreciate I get a bee in my bonnet about stuff but I'm a small town woman who has dug my way through life to get where I am (which isn't that great, in fairness) I could give you 328329 of my negatives myself but pompous certainly isn't one!

Name Change, Ceiba, I agree.

I also have an issue with women referring to other women standing in their pants getting out their tits, knockers, or ass, I really do.

Why? It may not be very refined or polite but if someone is getting their arse or tits out that's what they're doing. I'd say the same about a man getting his arse or willy out.

I think there is maybe an element of using that kind of blunt language to ground what's going on, and bring it down to the nitty gritty of what it is, instead of engaging with the endless wafting on about "empowerment".

I agree the media, as well as advertising and the "influencer" concept, have a lot to do with this being encouraged. There are actually plenty of women, including young women, getting on with their own achievements and agenda whether that's Malala, Greta Thunberg, Adele (AFAIK), Michaela Coel, Kate Tempest (as was) - without waving their bits around on Instagram - but they don't tend to get constant splashes in the Daily Mail.

@HerselfIndoors

I also have an issue with women referring to other women standing in their pants getting out their tits, knockers, or ass, I really do.

Why? It may not be very refined or polite but if someone is getting their arse or tits out that's what they're doing. I'd say the same about a man getting his arse or willy out.

I think there is maybe an element of using that kind of blunt language to ground what's going on, and bring it down to the nitty gritty of what it is, instead of engaging with the endless wafting on about "empowerment".

I agree the media, as well as advertising and the "influencer" concept, have a lot to do with this being encouraged. There are actually plenty of women, including young women, getting on with their own achievements and agenda whether that's Malala, Greta Thunberg, Adele (AFAIK), Michaela Coel, Kate Tempest (as was) - without waving their bits around on Instagram - but they don't tend to get constant splashes in the Daily Mail.

Adele is a massively private person I think.

I agree. It just doesn't sound....right. I don't know.

You don't like the language? A little bit too basic? I don't like people in a state of semi undress displaying random, unnamed for the sensitive, body parts unasked when I unwittingly open a supposed newspaper or news site. It's the normalisation of porn, commoditising young women and brainwashing them into believing they are making autonomous choices. If you prefer to believe it's something different then go ahead. You won't be alone.

On the X Factor threads we frequently wonder at what point in the competition will perfectly lovely talented young women be 'styled' into basically dancing in their pants.

Never happens to 'the boys'. But spangly bras and pants with a bit of swishy voile and weight loss are de rigeur it seems for female contestants.

Jesy Nelson never had a chance in that toxic environment.

@longwayoff

You don't like the language? A little bit too basic? I don't like people in a state of semi undress displaying random, unnamed for the sensitive, body parts unasked when I unwittingly open a supposed newspaper or news site. It's the normalisation of porn, commoditising young women and brainwashing them into believing they are making autonomous choices. If you prefer to believe it's something different then go ahead. You won't be alone.

No it's not about it being basic. I just think it's a crude way. And I don't think it has to be one or the other.

@JamieLeesCurtains

On the X Factor threads we frequently wonder at what point in the competition will perfectly lovely talented young women be 'styled' into basically dancing in their pants.

Never happens to 'the boys'. But spangly bras and pants with a bit of swishy voile and weight loss are de rigeur it seems for female contestants.

Jesy Nelson never had a chance in that toxic environment.

I agree. But I wouldn't be so sure about the boys. Males are chewed up and spat out by Simon just as much.

And look at Harry Styles image as opposed to his syco days. Gi Fletcher said this week about not being able to publicly attend McFly's gigs as Tom's partner. And Mark Feehily and Jon Lee only came out when they left their respective bands. Why? Image sells. For girls it's looking hot. For men it's being 'available'.

What’s crude is posing in your undies, or less! They’ve chosen it, I hardly think the language is the issue.

What suggestions do you have for getting into their heads then? Why do you think they do it and how can we improve things for these women?

@Grellbunt

What’s crude is posing in your undies, or less! They’ve chosen it, I hardly think the language is the issue.

What suggestions do you have for getting into their heads then? Why do you think they do it and how can we improve things for these women?

Educating them about the porn industry and misogyny.

I don't think there's a one size fits all. I am sure there are women who do it because they like t. But if you look at some of them - Jordan, Jodie, Lauren for example - look behind their eyes and look at their lives. Are they happy women?

Someone like Karren Bradley's daughter presumably had a good education, she has money enough via her mum to do a lot of things not open to most people, she has opportunities and access to people that most people do not have, and the cherry on the cake is that her mother succeeded in a male world (football), is respected for her business acumen, is a tv judge who often admonishes the women on The Apprentice for showing women in business up, and gets to sit in the House of Lords. So, she has a spectacular role model on how to behave to succeed that isn't based around posing in underwear, mouth agape, like some 1970s throwback.

Her mum also wrote this book, which I haven't read, but I am guessing there isn't a chapter about thrusting your tits (oops bosom) and ass (s'cuse me, derrière) to get ahead.
Strong Women: The Truth About Getting to the Top
www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B006I1CF6C/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

So based on that, to get into her head as we are advised to do, I am concluding she is a vain, narcissistic airhead and there is nothing more to it than that. Like a lot of females who are doing the same.

You're right, Melange. Pompous it is.