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Celebrities daughters in their underwear

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StoneofDestiny · 26/12/2020 17:23

AIBU to think it's sadly pathetic that so many daughters of celebrities think it's a necessary step in life to raise their 'fame' by posing in their underwear - Jonathan Ross's daughter Honey being the latest.

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Littlepaws18 · 27/12/2020 21:34

Bet mark is depressed Confused

Cocolapew · 27/12/2020 21:35

I wouldn't say she's the world's top supermodel, I don't think there's such a thing now. For what's it's worth I do think Kendall is very good looking, but so's my DD and millions of other 20 year olds.

OunceOfFlounce · 27/12/2020 21:36

Can you read what this thread is about though?

When you say "I don't have an issue with the culture in general being criticised, I agree with you. I have an issue with individuals being discussed and torn apart int he manner earlier in the thread." it seems like you're forgetting that we're discussing people who are desperately trying to get our attention.

I don't know if some posters aimed to tear people apart but mostly, posters on this thread are sad that women have become so sexualised, that female empowerment is now just trying to be sexy.

OunceOfFlounce · 27/12/2020 21:36

Sorry that was to Where'smyKimchi

Wheresmykimchi · 27/12/2020 21:37

@NameChange37836 I've read it.

Obviously the statistics are appalling and I'm not taking away from it.

But.

The fears from women about being called fat, or ugly, or not beautiful.

Don't you think this hammers home the point that all of us have a responsibility to stop being so negative and using words that people do towards people online?

Jesy Nelson has been the fat one from Little Mix her entire career, according to social media narrative. It has completely and utterly destroyed her life. She did not deserve that, regardless of the "but shes a celebrity narrative". If these women are putting themselves in the public eye posing, I understand the anger and worry and want for women to stop doing these things. What I don't understand, which is why I ended up on this thread in the first place, is the continuation of people making the types of comments that we KNOW has far reaching consequences.

I personally don't like women modelling full stop - in their underwear or otherwise. But I get far angrier about the comments and the entitlement of "they are famous so we can" narrative.

Wheresmykimchi · 27/12/2020 21:38

@OunceOfFlounce

Can you read what this thread is about though?

When you say "I don't have an issue with the culture in general being criticised, I agree with you. I have an issue with individuals being discussed and torn apart int he manner earlier in the thread." it seems like you're forgetting that we're discussing people who are desperately trying to get our attention.

I don't know if some posters aimed to tear people apart but mostly, posters on this thread are sad that women have become so sexualised, that female empowerment is now just trying to be sexy.

Yes, I can read. Thanks for checking.

Whether we are discussing people trying to get our attention or minding their own business, the sentiment is the same.

I agree with you on the last post.

Wheresmykimchi · 27/12/2020 21:40

@Cocolapew

I wouldn't say she's the world's top supermodel, I don't think there's such a thing now. For what's it's worth I do think Kendall is very good looking, but so's my DD and millions of other 20 year olds.
Sorry. she's the highest paid.

I agree, but I also think turning our noses up at a 20 year old who has achieved that because of who her family is is massively unfair. and I can't bear Kim Kardashian.

Wheresmykimchi · 27/12/2020 21:40

@shadypines

Strange when I think of women and empowerment I don't think of all the nonentitiy slebs baring all their flesh, I think of women like Rosa Parks or as earlier poster said Malala. Posing in bra and pants equals empowerment ..utter drivel.. (Alesha Dixon is always spouting this crap on BGT) Get over yourself Nadia and the like put some clothes on or don't (just keep it as your business) and go and do something useful.
I think the problem is that for our youngsters, idols need to be relatable. Rosa Parks, to them, isn't.
Littlepaws18 · 27/12/2020 21:41

She shouldn't be torn apart, she needs help, just like any other woman who feels the need for this kind of validation. I feel for her, but I will never understand or admire her stance.

Instead of promoting this unhealthy obsession with body image we should praise and follow those who have done something worthy of following.

Celebrity status is only as powerful as its followers.

Unfollow the unhealthy and follow the true raw talent the world has to offer.

Wheresmykimchi · 27/12/2020 21:43

Do you not think that sentiment is quite.....patronising though?

Celebrity status will never go away. Telling youngsters to follow better people is unrealistic.

What it is our job to do is encourage them to find someone relatable, to learn from lessons being played out in front of us a la Caroline Flack and Jesy Nelson, and remember that these people do not live the same kind of lives we do and their ideas of beauty are not the same as ours.

Littlepaws18 · 27/12/2020 21:45

I googled women of influence and the top 10 over half have been dead for over a century.... now as a historian I can relate to Marie curie (watch radioactivity it was the best film of last year) and Joan of Arc (she is what drew me to the love of history)

But it's sad that there isn't many female role models that have made the cut that are alive!

This needs to change!

Littlepaws18 · 27/12/2020 21:47

It's not unrealistic at all!!! Don't underestimate the intellect and interest of the youth.

Wheresmykimchi · 27/12/2020 21:47

@Littlepaws18

It's not unrealistic at all!!! Don't underestimate the intellect and interest of the youth.
I work with them. I hear their voices, not the voices I think they should have.
Littlepaws18 · 27/12/2020 21:48

I work with them too, and I'm so glad I do... gives me hope for the future!

OunceOfFlounce · 27/12/2020 21:48

I think a lot of us have been saying that who becomes a celebrity and what we value about them is is shaped by our misogynistic society. It should be perfectly possible to value other things than sex appeal about women but we're going more and more in this direction.

Littlepaws18 · 27/12/2020 21:50

Thanks for the debate, really found peoples opinions interesting on this topic. You'll be glad to know I'm going to give you lot a break... think you have had enough of my save the world ranting x night all x

Wheresmykimchi · 27/12/2020 21:51

But this is where we disagree Ounce of Flounce. One of the most inspirational celebrities to me is Jesy Nelson, yet we are still not learning from the lessons she is teaching us.

Littlepaws - it is the best isn't it. Actually looking forward to being back to work instead of in the weirdest Christmas period of all time.

OunceOfFlounce · 27/12/2020 21:52

Night, Littlepaws18 . I'm going to follow your good example and get ready for bed too!

OunceOfFlounce · 27/12/2020 21:56

Ok, Wheresmykimchi , For me, Jesy Nelson bought into the idea that sex appeal is everything and has struggled with it because it's a trash idea. She had little choice than to buy into it because she was basically a child, thrust into a culture that told her what she had to look like harshly and repeatedly. She has now realised in some small way that you can never be sexy enough, people will always criticise your appearance no matter how hard you try but regardless, she still gets fillers, hair extensions etc.

I really feel for her but prefer to spend my time learning about/ being inspired by women who live their lives separately from how they look.

LoveMyKidsAndCats · 27/12/2020 21:57

Don't know why she felt the need to do that. Did think she looked fab though.

Wheresmykimchi · 27/12/2020 22:01

@OunceOfFlounce

Ok, Wheresmykimchi , For me, Jesy Nelson bought into the idea that sex appeal is everything and has struggled with it because it's a trash idea. She had little choice than to buy into it because she was basically a child, thrust into a culture that told her what she had to look like harshly and repeatedly. She has now realised in some small way that you can never be sexy enough, people will always criticise your appearance no matter how hard you try but regardless, she still gets fillers, hair extensions etc.

I really feel for her but prefer to spend my time learning about/ being inspired by women who live their lives separately from how they look.

I agree with you.

However, the reason Jesy bought into the idea and made that horrific transformation from how she was in X Factor days to having everything done, is BECAUSE of the comments that were made by people. She has said herself that every video of her singing, every appearnace was littered with comments about her weight and appearance. Because we live in a world where now as expressed by people on this thread alone that if they put themselves out there, then it's OK. She still gets fillers and extensions because she is absolutely broken beyond belief and in the same way of Lauren Goodger, is now completely trapped.

Jacqueline Jossa made a similar sentiment. She was responding to people saying that shes in the public eye it's OK for people to constantly and repeatedly talk about her and her family when in actual fact she's a young girl who was in a soap and married a bloke off TOWIE.

I get your sentiment, and I personally agree with you. I was lucky to be raised by people who valued different things and therefore was inspired as a youngster by role models who were clever or talented etc.

But it's a different world now. And it' just not that easy

I don't agree with women modelling whether underwear or otherwise, I don't like it. But I do get equally as angry about the judgement of these woman that they "must want attention", as I just don't think it's that simple.

Wheresmykimchi · 27/12/2020 22:02

@OunceOfFlounce

Night, Littlepaws18 . I'm going to follow your good example and get ready for bed too!
Me three - just going to finish off the TOWIE christmas special...now there's an irony :D
Cocolapew · 27/12/2020 22:03

Jesy's posted a photo on Instagram today "just woke up" all tousled hair and no nightie.
Not sure what she's teching me or what's so inspirational about that tbh.

Wheresmykimchi · 27/12/2020 22:06

@Cocolapew

Jesy's posted a photo on Instagram today "just woke up" all tousled hair and no nightie. Not sure what she's teching me or what's so inspirational about that tbh.
Watch the documentary, and you will see it differently. The girl is broken, and hanging onto life by a thread.

Her selfies are a smoke screen for the damage done underneath (and I fully imagine to come to terms with the fact she has just thrown away/been pushed out of all she has known in her adult life).

OunceOfFlounce · 27/12/2020 22:08

Yes, the comments Jesy received were awful. But my criticism of people posting nearly naked selfies is not about whether anyone looks good or bad, it's that they are perpetuating the sexualisation of women and girls in an awful feedback loop. They feel bad so they post a sexy picture, their sexy picture helps to make all of their followers think about their own bodies in those terms too.

Anyway, I think we've kind of reached a place of understanding and I really am going to get ready for bed now, g'night!

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