To be super upset. Travelled from a safe list country

[starrain]

Iv just come back from a country yesterday which is on the safe list and has less cases than the uk. My pregnant sister lives with my mum and I wanted to go and see them today as my daughter is itching to see them and my niece.
Iv kind of been warned off and told dont come because iv been travelling and be cautious. But there is no where on the govt rules to quarantine or isolate after travelling from this country. My mum said she doesnt mind but my sister most likely does mind but won't just come out and say it. I kinda get it but at the same time I'm actually so so upset. I had got them gifts and was going to give them and also my daughter got all ready to meet them now I have to tell her no:(

i agree all places should be on te list in which case i wouldnt see anyone for ten days

@starrain

Wer in tier 3 but they are in my bubble. We are very quick to believe and trust what the government tells us regarding covid cases and tiers etcetc which we should. But the govt has also put certain countries on safe list AND allowed travel without quarantine for a reason. So how come we only believe the parts we want to believe. My point is, if there was danger in any kind of travelling then there would be quarantine from every form of travel.

Are you seriously contending that there is no danger whatsoever involved in travelling through busy airports, stations etc? No government is guaranteeing that that is safe.

I wouldn't want to see you indoors either. Just because the government haven't told you to quarantine doesn't mean you are safe and Covid free.

Just because travel to certain countries isn’t banned or doesn’t require quarantine doesn’t mean it is zero risk.

The process of having travelled means you have come in contact with multiple people, that will put you at a higher risk than someone who has stayed at home.

If you are in their bubble surely you discussed this side of things before you decided to travel?

You should have come back 2 weeks ago and isolated first surely?

Of course they don’t want you to visit right now

@CabinClose

Thank God for sensible people like your sister. We’ll only get the pandemic under control via people like her standing up to their more selfish family members.

And this ☝️

I do not believe this post.

I generally have quite a high level of risk tolerance, but we have a new more transmissible strain of Covid wreaking havoc just now... which makes flying potentially quite high risk what with all that hanging around in the airport and sitting next to strangers.

Op, covid is literally everywhere on earth even Antarctica now. There are no safe countries, just less risky ones.

Travel is allowed for business but people have to be responsible. You have accepted the risk involved in air travel but your family hasn't.
Can you drop the presents off and then do a zoom call?

I think it's not very nice of you to put your mum and sister in the position of having to say no to you. You should want to protect them.

I don’t get your idea of a bubble.

What about the rest of your family? Did you want to take them to meet up too?

How are they in your bubble?

Do a doorstep visit stand 2 metres away in the garden, path, street, put gifts on doorstep. We did this Christmas Eve just a short drop off, hello, I love you and sang Merry Christmas to our elderly relatives.

It wasn’t much but it felt good to see them.

I’m sorry. I suspect your sister is more likely to catch Covid from going to a supermarket than from seeing you. I feel your pain

You are so selfish. Ridiculous that you would even think of visiting them after traveling. It's all about you and your daughter, very selfish.

@starrain

I'm not being unreasonable because I havent said anything to her, just saying I'm upset. I personally wouldn't have minded. What's to say they haven't picked it up from someone at work or supermarket shopping in the UK where the cases are way higher than any country. I should be isolating from ppl here. Yea think I should have extended my stay. Dismal here

Nothing, but the point is minimising avoidable contact. Just because you do one thing doesn't mean you might as well do everything, because every additional activity increases risk.

See your mum through the window, so she can still be warm inside.

Everyone has had to make changes this year. Your plans - though this is upsetting to you - are nothing special.

Totally beleieve this post 😤

This is why it’s spreading
I’ve said no to two walks today
As realised it’s too risky

Also can’t be arsed to leave house 😂

I know people like OP

What airline did you go on that did a flight on Christmas day to Britain? How did you get from the airport to wherever you are? Usually public transport doesn't run on Christmas day, and that's when it's running on a full schedule anyway and when there are no travel bans.
I think YABU for putting your poor child through the misery of going on a plane on Christmas day instead of staying at home and having a nice Christmas. Either Christmas isn't important to you, in which case why did you come? Or it is, in which case, why did you come?

How are they in your bubble? If you’re a single person ONE of them can be in your bubble. If it’s a childcare bubble then the bubble is only for when they’re providing childcare. Fed up of people thinking bubbles are a free pass. YABVU and naive to think going through 2 airports and sitting on a plane from a lower rate country doesn’t pose a risk.
I’m guessing this is a reverse because of how unreasonable you’re being.

I don't think your analysis in your most recent post is sound, OP. Government is not driven solely by health, nor should it, but also by business, trade and international relations and so on so you can't pick "My point is, if there was danger in any kind of travelling then there would be quarantine from every form of travel." as a rationale to effectively make your pregnant sister meet you and jeopardise the safety of her home if you meet your DM because you feel left out.

You may have travelled for the most essential of reasons but if I were pregnant, I wouldn't want to meet you or let you in my home either. Ops points about the safety of airports or travel hubs would be my worry, too.

When I don’t believe a post entirely (either in full or in part) I tend to take advantage of advanced search because Mumsnet allows it. Searching tells me you have two small children. Your sister and mum live together so they aren’t a single person unit either. Can you please explain then - how your two multi-person household units are “a bubble”?

I also fail to understand how you’ve not seen reports that the impacts of covid on pregnant women are unknown and pregnant women have been asked to be particularly cautious. And you are concerned that a pregnant woman, amidst a raging pandemic, is hesitant about meeting someone from another household indoors, particularly as this person has been negotiating international travelling, airports and similar?

Really?

How do you qualify as a bubble ?

I can only think that you paid no attention to the news before you set off! Did you fly from Cloud cookoo land?

Is this your Christmas bubble? If so you're a day too late. The date doesn't change because you were on holiday.

I have a strong feeling that an explanation for “bubble” won’t come. Because there isn’t an explanation. Neither will an explanation arrive for why - amidst reports of high risk unknown impacts of covid on pregnancy potentially - why a pregnant woman in tier 3 doesn’t wish to meet indoors, someone who’s been travelling internationally. I find it beyond belief that a sane person does not see this point of view.

@LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett

Meeting people indoors is so high risk that it's banned in most of the UK. And your sister is pg so naturally she is going to err on the side of caution.

You, on the other hand, have been in close quarters with hundreds of people going through an airport and flying. You really do have to suck this one up I'm afraid, as have millions of others this Christmas.

(DH and I are on slightly different places in the risk-averse spectrum so I have been doing 'riskier' things than him. But when it comes to our home, we've agreed the most cautious person always gets the right of veto, that's only fair. So I've been eating out, he hasn't, I've hugged friends, he hasn't, but I would never have people visit us indoors if he didn't want to. That's maybe what's going on with your mum and sis.)

What happens when you've hugged your friends? Do you then go home and sleep in the same room as your dh? Seems an odd way to do things.