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To expect IVF friends to be happy about my BFP

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dancingqueen34 · 26/12/2020 09:22

My partner and I have been having fertility treatment for almost 18 months). I've had some health struggles but I got pregnant on my first round of IVF and am now 9 weeks.

The problem is: we're friends with two other couples who are also having fertility treatment (what are the chances!). This seemed to be a great support when we were going through it, but now I'm pregnant the dynamic has changed and I feel really alone and upset.

They never ask how I am or how I'm feeling. If I was to mention feeling sick etc they would ignore it. I feel like I constantly check in on how they are with the expectation they will return it and they just don't. It feels like they were only there for the bad times.

I understand it's hard but I don't want to spend the next 8 months feeling like I've done something wrong because I've got pregnant first. I'm also worried about how I can announce my pregnancy to other friends at 12 weeks without looking like I'm rubbing it in. They're close friends and I would hate to lose them but their inability to acknowledge our pregnancy is making me miserable and I don't know if I can go on like this.

AIBU?

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PrincessNutNutRoast · 27/12/2020 07:29

They should be the bigger people here

Why? They're in the worse situation.

EdgeOfACoin · 27/12/2020 08:37

OP, I would ignore the posters coming on here who clearly haven't read the thread and your clarifications and just want to pile on.

You've had some good advice/perspectives from people who have been in a similar situation and you've accepted where you could have handled things better.

FWIW, I do think your friends could have managed a 'congratulations' on receiving your news. No, they won't be your support network (which you know) and no, they aren't going to want to hear about your symptoms (which you also know). But yes, it would have been polite for them to congratulate you on escaping from the club that noone wants to be part of.

Umbongi · 27/12/2020 08:51

They should be the bigger people here

Fucking hate it when people say this on fertility threads.

I understand why you are feeling hurt OP but no, I don't agree with the above. I actually think you should be the bigger person, you are in the best position out of you all after all.

Sometimes it's simply not possible to just slap on a smile and 'be the bigger person' when you're feeling low. It's not about being a rubbish friend or who's a nicer person than who. Your situations are totally different now which is just the way it is.

They will be feeling jealous I imagine. Which is normal and natural and absolutely doesn't make them horrible people. It makes them human beings.

I think it's very easy to say 'id have been happy for them if it were the other way around', when it's not the other way round. In reality you don't know how you'd feel if one of them had announced a positive pregnancy test to you when you'd just found out your round had failed for example.

Sometimes in this situation the only way you feel like you can make it through is to block out triggers like this. It doesn't make you a bad person.

Can you not discuss your sickness and other pregnancy related problems with other people? Surely you have someone else you could share this info with if these friends clearly aren't in a place to be able to celebrate with you right now.

Personally I never understand why people would even want someone they said they cared about to put themselves through pain to 'be the bigger person' for my benefit so I could have someone to gush about my pregnancy with. I'd rather my friends shielded their MH tbh and looked after themselves. I would share all this with someone I knew was mentally equipped to give me the type of friendship I wanted in regards to my pregnancy.

I am 33 weeks right now. I have a friend who is suffering terribly with fertility problems (as did I) . I purposely do not speak to her about my pregnancy. Why the hell would I. She said congratulations at first and then we moved on and haven't spoken about it since. I share that excitement and stuff with other friends because I wouldn't want to force said friend to be 'nice' just for my sake when I know it would cause her pain.

PrincessNutNutRoast · 27/12/2020 08:55

As a general observation: it's really quite horrible and self indulgent to join an infertility support group and then try to play the victim after becoming pregnant.

barnanabas · 27/12/2020 08:56

Congratulations OP. I think you were being a bit unreasonable, as you've acknowledged, but you've had a really hard time on here.

I think this situation probably/hopefully just needs a bit of time and space. And as you've recognised, you need to get your support for you in your pregnancy elsewhere.

My SIL got pregnant just as DH and I were getting into the fertility treatment system and DN was born just before we started IVF. I found it very difficult to hear about the pregnancy and the experience of meeting my nephew was very upsetting. I know SIL and BIL felt unsupported and as though their happy situation was quite separate from our sad one. They are normally very sensitive and empathetic people (much more than I am), but they were thrilled about their pregnancy and understanding how I felt was a bridge too far. We're all basically nice people (I think!), but these situations are very tricky for everyone.

Clawdy · 27/12/2020 09:27

Everyone struggling to conceive feels a bit super-sensitive. My friend had two babies close together during the years I was trying, and I always remember her telling me she was pregnant for the second time. She laughed "Two so close together! The nurse suggested I hire DH out as a stud!" Don't think I managed a smile........

PurpleDaisies · 27/12/2020 09:56

They should be the bigger people here and be nice to you. Yes of course it's hard for them, but if they are real friends they should be pleased for you too. It sounds like if roles were reversed, you would be pleased for them.

This is totally wrong. Do you think anyone wants to feel like this? Who would choose to react this way to happy news? You can’t help how you feel and it doesn’t make you not a nice person. Some people are just better at hiding their true feelings than others.

CounsellorTroi · 27/12/2020 10:03

@Clawdy

Everyone struggling to conceive feels a bit super-sensitive. My friend had two babies close together during the years I was trying, and I always remember her telling me she was pregnant for the second time. She laughed "Two so close together! The nurse suggested I hire DH out as a stud!" Don't think I managed a smile........
Yes I had a friend, also pregnant for the second time, who said to me “get a few pints of beer down him” as though our problem was sexual dysfunction rather than fertility!
Sceptre86 · 27/12/2020 10:09

I think you are getting a hard time on here. You are excited and are pregnant with a much wanted baby, congratulations. You have every right to be happy and discuss it with friends but if you have a large friendship group choose other friends to discuss it with. I would also join a pregnancy forum and birth board where there will be many people in the same boat as you, just as excited and happy. You will be able to share your concerns, anxieties and excitement with them without judgement.

I found out I was pregnant on xmas eve with my third child. I previously told family as soon as I had a positive test but this time I will hold off, the reason being my sister had a miscarriage with her first baby at 5 weeks. She had been trying for over a year and her baby would have been due early February 2021. Out of love and respect I will wait.

If you value your friends, give them space as it is very early days yet. Hopefully they will come around. If not then you have other friends to lean on.

EugenesAxe · 27/12/2020 10:18

That's great news. I do feel for you but can't judge their choices as I cannot truly understand what it's like for people who are trying and failing to be pregnant. I had no trouble conceiving but would generally raise my eyebrows at any talk of pregnancy suffering anyway... smacked of attention seeking to me. Try to just deal with whatever it throws at you, without mentioning it at all (your partner excepted). I found it a bit tedious when people would use pregnancy to make life all about them, and lost the ability to talk about books, films or whatever, like we did before.

Just be careful about the 12 weeks thing - I've known someone go for it on the telling front who then miscarried at 14. Best to let your abdomen and non-drinking do the talking for a while, I reckon.

blueleonburger · 27/12/2020 10:23

YAB very U. You should know OP better than anyone how painful it will be for them. When my friend went through IVF she took herself off social media for months because it upset her to see baby photos. She only announced her own pregnancy on social media when she was very late term because she was mindful not to upset others in her situation. Hardly posted about her own pregnancy. Of course congratulations are in order and you should feel so happy with your news but don’t put the burden others struggling to do the same. Don’t you have other friends that you can look to for support?

burnoutbabe · 27/12/2020 10:28

Effectively they aren't really friends. They are people you bonded with over infertility and ivf and it seems once you are no longer part of that club, you can no longer be friends (until they too leave that club)

Same as bonding with people at work overs shared hated boss, and you aren't so much friends once one leaves.

WombatChocolate · 27/12/2020 10:30

Pregnancy is a sensitive issue for women generally, regardless of whether they have fertility issues or not.

For most women, becoming pregnant and a mother will be one of the biggest events in their lives.....usually a source of great joy and excitement, plus a range of other feelings too such as possibly fear. Women know not everyone finds becoming pregnant easy or that pregnancy is not always welcome. They know it can spark jealousy and deep sorrow.

And despite knowing how deeply the idea of pregnancy or its reality impacts women, so many lack basic empathy when talking about it with other women. So many women carelessly announce pregnancy without considering the range of emotions it evokes. So many make flippant comments about their becoming pregnant having been easy or unplanned, or make throwaway comments about it being the friends turn next.

Yes, people have to live their lives and pregnancies and should be able to talk about them and enjoy this phase in their life...absolutely...but greater appreciation of how it makes other people feel is needed often....just some simple empathy.

In the end, it’s all about knowing your audience and tailoring your conversation to them. And if you aren’t sure about your audience (a group of women containing women you don’t know well, may include women with all kinds of fertility issues you know nothing of) then err on the side of caution. Be less exuberant, less detailed, more interested in others than talking about oneself. Save the detailed discussion of pregnancy symptoms and poring over the minutiae for a particular group of other pregnant women. Be really considerate, quite simply.

And the thing that makes all of this quite tricky, as comes out in many posts here, are that friends move in and out of different groups. You have to recognise that and adjust the way you speak. The group of women hoping to all get pregnant finds some do become pregnant and the way they speak together just needs to change a bit. The group of people who are all pregnant together finds someone loses her pregnancy and is no longer one of the ‘club’ and the conversations when she is there need to change a bit too. People move in and out of the intense feelings associated with being pregnant and wanting to be pregnant.

Sometimes, people have lots of associations of convenience rather than real friendships. Pregnant women find each other and those undergoing fertility treatment find each other too and find things in common. But sometimes Omce those things in common stop, there isn’t much left to the friendship. That can be fine. But equally, being able to have good friends at different stages can also be fine too.....you just have to be a bit flexible too and adjust the amount of time you spend with them and the topics of conversation. Lots of people find this difficult. They only seem to be able to talk about themselves and their own phase of life....it can be getting married, or being pregnant, or having a toddler, or retiring...all potentially tedious for someone not at that stage of life, or extremely insensitive at worse.

All we can each do is to try to be good friends to those around us and to empathise. We won’t always get it right, but thinking about how others might be feeling and having more thought about that rather than ourselves must be a good starting point.

StormcloakNord · 27/12/2020 10:36

You seem unbelievably insensitive. You know the position they are in, why would you share anything to do with pregnancy with them? You all started off trying to become parents and now you're pregnant, it's shit for them and even worse that you've got the attitude of "oh well bugger their pain they need to fawn over me now I'm the pregnant winner" Hmm

WombatChocolate · 27/12/2020 10:36

Yes, it’s true, that sometimes women you bond with over a particular circumstance aren’t your long term friends, but just fellow burden-sharers, and once the burden passes from some of them, the friendship no longer exists.

This can be sad, especially when some people see it as more than it really is. And actually, over time, more genuine friendship is sometimes possible too, but never develops when circumstances diverge.

There can be a time for lots of different seasons. There can be time to spend time with a pregnancy group, or with a group of toddler mums, or school gate mums, or those launching a career, or looking into adoption, or fertility .......Many of these friendships will be quite short-lived and largely circumstantial. Being kind and empathetic to everyone is always possible and adjusting time spent with people as life moves on can be done gently and kindly.

gingerbiscuits · 27/12/2020 11:00

Dear God, some people on here are mean! OP is not rubbing her friends' noses in it or 'going on' or expecting them to jump for joy. She understands how they feel.

She shouldn't have to hide away & pretend she's not even pregnant though, should she??

A simple acknowledgement & the occasional "How's things?" is all she wants. Which I'm sure she would have done if the situations were reversed.

And before anyone jumps on me, I suffered crushing, depressing infertility for years & had to dig very deep on many occasions & find a smile & a 'congratulations' whilst crying buckets in private.

elenacampana · 27/12/2020 11:27

@gingerbiscuits

Pregnant women around me don’t get asked how they’re doing and I don’t plan to start. They have enough people around them who can cope with the answers without needing me to join in.

I appreciate that you did your best, but you then went off and cried buckets. I’m just not prepared to put myself in that position. My day to day life is difficult enough as it is without me making it worse for myself.

sweetheartyparty · 27/12/2020 11:28

I've been on both sides of this. I was on a TTC board where I was the very last one to get pregnant. Some were on the second children by the time we were referred for ivf treatment. Its a lonely, dark place and I was absolutely desperate to get pregnant.
I was referred to the ivf unit and confided in a friend at work. It turned out she had been undergoing ivf treatment for a while. We became very close and she was there when I had my first failed cycle. My second cycle followed shortly after and I got pregnant. Telling my friend was awful because I knew she how much pain it would give her. I knew it wasn't personal but it was difficult her to discuss it.
Instead my TTC board friends became my cheerleaders. They were absolutely delighted for me. I was very careful what I shared both in person and on social media. I didn't want to give pain to anyone unintentionally because I'd been there.
When my friend did become pregnant, I couldn't be more happier for her. It was a wonderful moment.
I understand you are very excited about getting pregnant. It's wonderful news for you and your family. For your TTC friends, a pregnancy announcement is a blow. I remember it felt like getting punched in the stomach. Christmas was even more difficult as it's all aimed for children.
Your friends cannot provide what you want right now so you need to find it elsewhere. Some may be able to share in your excitement with time, some not. Its no-ones fault. Infertility is a lonely road and for some it's longer and darker than others. Being the first to emerge can be lonely too.
Congratulations and I wish all the very best for the months ahead

LolaSmiles · 27/12/2020 11:34

gingerbiscuits
You did what was right for you. That's fine. Not everyone feels the same way.

To turn it round, imagine someone has had several rounds of failed IVF, then their friend (who they've bonded with largely due to infertility struggles) gets pregnant on their first cycle, announces really early and within a couple of weeks instead of simply declining a mince pie with a 'no thank you' made sure to add 'I'm a bit sicky' (referring to pregnancy sickness). It could quite easily feel like a knife is being twisted because not only does this person have the thing you have struggled with for years, they had to make sure that it was brought up in an irrelevant way.

I'm not saying that was the OP's intent, but people who are struggling with long term fertility issues aren't the people to expect to provide emotional support in the early days of your own pregnancy. That's where friends outside of infertility groups come in, or specific mum to be groups.

twinklespells · 27/12/2020 11:36

YABU and I think you do show a lack of understanding/empathy. It's natural for you to feel as you do and with infertility it is impossible to put yourself in their shoes, so I don't think it's surprising that you're finding it hard to get your head around, you just need to accept it. Give them time for a start, they may be better once they've got their head around your news. You'll never feel as they do, because you're the one who got pregnant first.

I've had my rainbow baby and I adore her. One of my close friends is pregnant (happened straight away) and I am there for her, but I can't say it's easy, it can be crippling emotionally. I can't even really put my finger on why, maybe it's resentfulness or envy that it was so easy for her? Who knows. Be careful not to play the victim though in terms of 'I don't fit anywhere now I'm pregnant after infertility'. You're pregnant. You fit on the pregnancy boards and groups. Plenty of other women who are pregnant after infertility will be there too.

Dontforgetyourbrolly · 27/12/2020 11:36

No one is right and no one is wrong. You just need to accept they are not able to share your joy and move on to other friends and family.

Nowaynothappening · 27/12/2020 11:39

My close friend had a late miscarriage at 20 weeks last year so when I got pregnant about 6 months later I didn’t tell her. In fact, I left it until I was about 20ish weeks before I told her. I just didn’t want to hurt her at all and even after I told her I rarely mentioned the pregnancy. I rarely mention him now either tbh, I don’t want to upset her.

You have to imagine it were the other way around. Your friend was pregnant but you were still struggling, imagine how painful that would be. Definitely don’t mention symptoms, it’s just insensitive.

metellaestinatrio · 27/12/2020 12:24

@formerbabe

Yanbu.

I don't know why on these boards so many people think it's fine to ignore people, be disinterested, not offer congratulations because they are suffering from infertility.

Why does it get a free pass when other things don't? It wouldn't be acceptable to not say congratulations when someone gets married because you are single.

I agree. I lost my brother suddenly when he was 18, but it would be considered rude and melodramatic if I cut all my friends with living brothers out of my life, or they weren’t allowed to talk about their brothers in front of me. I agree that the OP should be sensitive to her friends’ feelings, and discussing pregnancy symptoms is unnecessary, but she shouldn’t be made to feel bad or guilty about her pregnancy.
Letthemeatcakeagain · 27/12/2020 12:47

@metellaestinatrio it’s because the pain it is in your face when others are pregnant. You show a woeful lack of understanding. Would you be fine if after your brother died that your friends brought their brothers of the exact same age to every meet up you had, talked about how great having a brother is/what a pain it is having a brother, you never get to meet up with them without their brothers being there, you never get to have a conversation without their brothers being mentioned and you are the only one who has no brother to attend. Then sending you multiple photos week after week when you least expect it and might be having a bad day about your brother or it’s his birthday saying ‘oh look it’s me and my brother don’t we look great, my brother is getting older. Oh here’s another two photos of me and my brother. Look my brother looks amazing etc. Im so lucky I have a brother.

That’s the equivalent and it’s cruel and sadistic.

InTheDrunkTank · 27/12/2020 12:48

I'm just amazed that anyone would want congratulations and constant enquiries from people they know will be upset by talking about pregnancy. Surely the pregnancy is enough without having to be made the centre of attention by literally every person in your life.

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