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To feel relieved that it’s not a no-deal outcome!

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Xnon · 24/12/2020 20:29

Whether you’re Remain or Leave the fact is that Brexit is going ahead. I was genuinely scared of a no-deal outcome especially after the weird 2020 we have had.

I don’t know the full details of the deal but I’m just glad that there is a deal rather than no-deal at all. Anyone else feel the same?

Brexit: Boris Johnson hails free trade deal with EU

At least that’s something. I was worried about trading under WTO rules.

Thoughts?

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zoemum2006 · 25/12/2020 05:44

The deal is awful, will cost us a fortune and has removed our say/ influence and given us a mountain of red tape.

It’s not the catastrophe of ‘no deal’ but if Labour had done this to us the newspapers would be calling for the government to be overthrown and the PM publicly hung.

Never would leave have won with this in 2016.

Bluntness100 · 25/12/2020 06:16

@zoemum2006

The deal is awful, will cost us a fortune and has removed our say/ influence and given us a mountain of red tape.

It’s not the catastrophe of ‘no deal’ but if Labour had done this to us the newspapers would be calling for the government to be overthrown and the PM publicly hung.

Never would leave have won with this in 2016.

Dont be silly now. 😂
DodoApplet · 25/12/2020 06:44

@IIJkk

Oh dear - yes, I’d rather forgotten “Nige”. He’s a bit like a painful ache somewhere embarrassing that has thankfully gone away, but which has just come back.

Newjez · 25/12/2020 06:51

@AllWashedOut

Your relief was manufactured by the powers that be. The whole last-minute saving-things-from-the-tiger's-jaws was all theatre. It was necessary to push the electorate (not just of the UK) into thinking this was a hard won, final deal of all deals.

Tonight I'm in a stink. Boris gets to stand on his platform and gloat about the newly independent country we now live in thanks to him. And people will believe his lies.

This.

The fact that the pound and markets have barely moved has shown this was all theatre. The fact that there is no time to actually examine the deal.

And this was supposed to regain our democracy?

We've been played and most are too stupid to see.

But, shit as it is, it is better than no deal would have been. Which is why people are swallowing it. A small part wishes we had a bit of no deal just to expose their lies.

Bluntness100 · 25/12/2020 07:20

It wasn’t all theatre, it’s normal cor the eu to negotiate to the last min. Every country has their own politics ans population to appease.

Anyone thinking oh they agreed the deal months ago and then said “ok, let’s pretend we didn’t, and get out businesses to spend billions preparing for no trade deal, them surprise them at the last min, so Boris can look good” is being a tiny bit batshit. 😂

Devilishpyjamas · 25/12/2020 07:21

I think the deal will expose the lies. But the believers will be too busy waving their flags to notice.

Felt very sad yesterday but it will be years of unrest now. We’ll either move closer to the EU or Northern Ireland and Scotland will go their own ways.

Someone pages back asked about Northern Ireland. I know I can no longer take my dog to Northern Ireland easily (have done so in the past) - it’s the same as taking him to France now (so I won’t bother). Everything looks as if it will be extra delivery fees to Northern Ireland - if it delivers at all. For trading Northern Ireland seems to be treated as part of Europe in many ways, but leaving the EU has of course politically brought it closer to Westminster. A northern Irish politician was on TV yesterday saying this removes the ‘comfort blanket’ - where people were able to accept being part of the U.K. because they were European. The Good Friday Agreement is so clever in allowing people to kind of choose who they identify as and EU membership made that much easier. Will have to see how it goes. I just hope to got the govt pulls the plug on all the Billy Britain crap because that really wonMt help.

Buddytheelf85 · 25/12/2020 08:40

Anyone thinking oh they agreed the deal months ago and then said “ok, let’s pretend we didn’t, and get out businesses to spend billions preparing for no trade deal, them surprise them at the last min, so Boris can look good” is being a tiny bit batshit.

Lol, no one thinks that obviously.

They think that Boris and the UK negotiators was acting unreasonably in the negotiations on purpose - particularly over fishing - in order to prolong the negotiations as long as possible. They then capitulated at the last minute and got us a shit deal but came out of it looking victorious.

The way the negotiations went just makes no sense. Fishing represents about 0.4% of our economy. Why did it represent such a stumbling block? Why was Boris so obsessed with it? The EU wanted to repatriate 25% of the catch over 6 years. Boris wanted 60%. The agreement they’ve reached is... 25% of the catch over 5.5 years (hilarious). So it was the biggest stumbling block to a deal, even though it doesn’t matter to us, and Boris suddenly gave way completely on it yesterday? Pull the other one.

laudemio · 25/12/2020 08:47

Yes hugely relieved. 2020 has got a lot better in the final month, a vaccine and a deal. Thank you all who worked so hard on these things. Let's hope we get one more vaccine before the year is out.

Flavabobble · 25/12/2020 09:15

How does this deal differ from the ones that Theresa may brokered?

INeedADayOff · 25/12/2020 09:18

Yeah it’s great until you read the deal which is absolutely shocking

What a cluster fuck...

EmmaGrundyForPM · 25/12/2020 09:19

I do think the sight of all.those lorries backed up.in Kent may have focussed Boris' mind a bit.

It's a shit deal from what I can see, which is being presented as a victory over the EU

SabrinaThwaite · 25/12/2020 09:26

[quote Frazzled2207]@Defenbaker

It’s not a soft brexit!
No customs Union. No single market.
Deal covers goods only which is 20% of our trade. Other 80% is services for which there is almost no provision.[/quote]
Services is 80% of the UK economy, not our trade with the EU.

The trade split in 2019 was around 42% services and 58% goods - but the UK has a trade surplus in services, and a deficit in goods.

So not having a deal for services is just more shooting ourselves in the foot.

bellinisurge · 25/12/2020 09:28

Turns out, a shit deal is better than no deal. GrinGrin

Dozer · 25/12/2020 09:29

Yes, no deal (yet) for financial and other services, the main part of the UK economy.

SabrinaThwaite · 25/12/2020 09:39

Handy table from the EC Commission to compare EU membership to the Johnson’s Fabulous New Deal.

To feel relieved that it’s not a no-deal outcome!
To feel relieved that it’s not a no-deal outcome!
chomalungma · 25/12/2020 09:40

Looking forward to the point when EU regulations change on certain standards and we realise that in order to remain competitive as we trade with the EU, that we will have to make the same changes so our goods can be sold in the EU. Without having any say over those standards.

I get that other non EU countries are in the same position - but we do a lot of trade with the EU.

I also guess that other EU businesses will have less costs as they will have less bureaucracy.

But fish and control......

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Xnon · 25/12/2020 09:43

@SabrinaThwaite

Handy table from the EC Commission to compare EU membership to the Johnson’s Fabulous New Deal.
Shock

That’s actually scary. Is there a link for that website?

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SabrinaThwaite · 25/12/2020 09:44

Just posted above ^

HappydaysArehere · 25/12/2020 09:47

It’s a repair job to reduce the impact of the whole Brexit disaster. Without it Johnson and his government would have soon been ousted and the Tories finished for the foreseeable future.

chomalungma · 25/12/2020 10:00

There are definitely going to be many people in the UK who don't realise the travel issues and will end up with problems when they don't have an up to date passport, haven't got travel insurance and end up with expensive mobile roaming charges.

Tanith · 25/12/2020 10:22

"Better a deal than no deal."

And, having said that, you've said all that can be said at this stage.

I can't think why they're celebrating when most of them haven't even read it yet.
I expect we'll have the same situation as we did earlier in the year once they get around to actually looking at it in detail: loud cries of anger and disbelief - by which time, Johnson will be long gone!

chomalungma · 25/12/2020 10:29

We are going to be spending a lot of the next few years negotiating with the EU about things that we didn't have to negotiate about them before.

Dee1975 · 25/12/2020 10:50

Yes it is a massive relief! I even did a fist pump when I heard the news (don’t think I’ve ever done a fist pump in my life!)
I think we would have been ‘ok’ (as in not as bad as they say) with a no deal under ‘normal’ circumstances. But with COVID, I had a real fear no deal would have been awful.

MrsMiaWallis · 25/12/2020 10:58

@PicsInRed

It's a good outcome and a relief.

However, some inside the UK will seethe with rage that we won't receive the "punishment" which should have been ours - the purification by pain. Hmm

This.

Personally I'm delighted, it wouldn't be too much of an exaggeration to say it's made my year. I run a business and was dreading No Deal.

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