To feel relieved that it’s not a no-deal outcome!

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Whether you’re Remain or Leave the fact is that Brexit is going ahead. I was genuinely scared of a no-deal outcome especially after the weird 2020 we have had.

I don’t know the full details of the deal but I’m just glad that there is a deal rather than no-deal at all. Anyone else feel the same?

Brexit: Boris Johnson hails free trade deal with EU

At least that’s something. I was worried about trading under WTO rules.

Thoughts?

So you don’t want to know my dynamite anecdote?

Ah well. Your loss.

Well @TerryHearn an advance search reveals you are an apparently recent arrival. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt there in assuming you weren't necessarily being deliberately as unpleasant as you seem.

@ilovesooty

Well *@TerryHearn* an advance search reveals you are an apparently recent arrival. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt there in assuming you weren't necessarily being deliberately as unpleasant as you seem.

Not sure of the relevance of when someone joins. I think you’ll find it all got a bit “goady” when Sabrina took issue with my term of phrase that we had “half of the EU’s criminals in our prisons”. “Half of” is a term of phrase for a lot. Any adult would know what is meant by that. Sabrina couldn’t accept that as it doesn’t fit her narrative. There started her aggy tone repeated page after page almost like a stalker, referring repeatedly to “jingoistic” arguments, maths that was “tucked”. You get the gist. All the insults you would ever see directed towards someone who voted Brexit. None of them warranted. Just stereotyping really. When I react I am the problem. Haha. Couldn’t make it up.

What’s wrong with different views and debate? Happy to have it. Not with our Sabrina. Really must have taken it all rather badly.

If you feel she's contravened the Talk Guidelines you are free to report.

I do hope you have at least read them? And when someone joined can be relevant if it appears that they haven't developed an awareness of what it means to post "in the spirit".

Terry, you seriously need to chillax man.

You won, remember?

when Sabrina took issue with my term of phrase that we had “half of the EU’s criminals in our prisons”. “Half of” is a term of phrase for a lot

Well - even that's wrong.

How many criminals are there in the EU?

There’s about 495,000 prisoners in the EU (2018 figures), so around 415,000 in the EU27.

So the UK’s population of 4,144 (which is for EEA prisoners not just EU) is ... wait for it ... equivalent to about 1% of the entire EU27 jail population.

Which is close to half, yes?

Which is close to half, yes?

Brexit maths, don't forget. Johnson told us that a 4% vote more for Leave was 'ovewhelming'. Now I would call Gibraltar's 96% to Remain in the EU overwhelming, but then I was a Remainer, and our opinions don't count.

In Brexit maths, how does 52% turn into 58%?

The referendum was 1,600 days ago

Since then nearly 2,300,000 British people have died, the majority of them registered voters.

Since then 2,500,000 young British people have gained the right to vote

The Brexit Referendum majority was a lot less than either of those figures

So lets stop looking backwards
and try to work out how to go forwards from here

listeningquietly

% from YouGov

over 65's voted 64% to leave, so lost 1,472 brexit, but also 828,000 remain. Net change 644,000

under 25's were 71:29, so net change 1,050,000

net change 1,694,000. Therefore win for remain by 424,499.

However, everyone else is now 4 years older, so allowing age groups % do not change, higher vote for Brexit among the people now alive who voted. Too close to call, like the original.

I have no idea what the assumptions in the upper part of the post means but this
However, everyone else is now 4 years older, so allowing age groups % do not change, higher vote for Brexit among the people now alive who voted. Too close to call, like the original.
is highly unlikely
because those who have had the first four years of voting life screwed over by Brexit (Erasmus, travel, work etc etc) are likely to be subtly different than their elders

and on the basis that people have not changed their views, all of my frinds who have turned 60 since the vote will be affecting that %age

ANYWAY
THe vote was years ago
it will not be re run
so we have to work forwards from where we are

so we have to work forwards from where we are

I wonder if we will hear any Government politician address the people who voted Remain?

Choma
I wonder if we will hear any Government politician address the people who voted Remain?

Why ?
Its a done deal.

Brexit was at 11pm on 31st January
I was standing on a Motorway at the time

Transition ends at 11pm on Thursday night
and then we are in a brave new world
caused by and to be owned by the Tories

and those of us who were losers 1600 days ago
will emulate the winners
and campaign TIRELESSLY to rejoin
until we succeed

ListeningQuietly

You may tirelessly campaign, but most people won't. Just as the vast majority of Leavers did not campaign to leave, just voted when offered the chance.

You may tirelessly campaign, but most people won't. Just as the vast majority of Leavers did not campaign to leave, just voted when offered the chance.
Tell that to Bill Cash, Chris Chope, Julian Lewis, Desmond Swayne, Tony Benn and Jeremy Corbyn.
It may have taken them 40 years but they won

It may have taken them 40 years but they won

A pyrrhic victory if ever there was one. Won brexit, took the United out of the Kingdom and the Great from Britain.

and those of us who were losers 1600 days ago
will emulate the winners
and campaign TIRELESSLY to rejoin
until we succeed grin

Listening I will be interested to know the views of EU officials on this. Are they saying ‘yes please try to rejoin, the EU will welcome you back’ or are they saying ‘you’ve wasted enough of our time. You are leaving and good riddance’?

The EU
in the form of its member Governments
and elected MEPs
will say
you are welcome to apply, here are the rules

It will not be down to officials
it will be down to the 27 Sovereign Governments

Thank you for answering my questions.