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To feel relieved that it’s not a no-deal outcome!

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Xnon · 24/12/2020 20:29

Whether you’re Remain or Leave the fact is that Brexit is going ahead. I was genuinely scared of a no-deal outcome especially after the weird 2020 we have had.

I don’t know the full details of the deal but I’m just glad that there is a deal rather than no-deal at all. Anyone else feel the same?

Brexit: Boris Johnson hails free trade deal with EU

At least that’s something. I was worried about trading under WTO rules.

Thoughts?

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NiceGerbil · 24/12/2020 21:46

Judging by this the thread I don't think many people are not noticing it's a shit deal!

inquietant · 24/12/2020 21:47

Passporting for financial services - none

NiceGerbil · 24/12/2020 21:51

Really? Oh shit.

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Xnon · 24/12/2020 21:53

@NiceGerbil

Judging by this the thread I don't think many people are not noticing it's a shit deal!
This is true. Focused on the “phew it’s not a no-deal” part.
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smalalalalalala · 24/12/2020 21:54

@Ihatefish

It was never in a million years going to be no deal. It was posturing on both sides. Europe would have been as fucked as anyone without one. Even the French fundamental dislike of anything British couldn’t stop it in the end.

Whatever it says,if it doesn’t work it can be renegotiated in the future.

UK would be much more embarrassed with no deal. How can you imagine that 1 small country could compare to a group of them???

And no French dont dislike anythkng British, I think you're transposing

SparklingLime · 24/12/2020 22:07

@PicsInRed

It's a good outcome and a relief.

However, some inside the UK will seethe with rage that we won't receive the "punishment" which should have been ours - the purification by pain. Hmm

Really? I am as remainer as they come and I was almost tearful with relief that a deal had been done.
Frazzled2207 · 24/12/2020 22:13

It’s shit. But better than no deal.

But most importantly we will have a proper trading relationship with the EU which I think will mean that bits will be able to be added on in time-
For that reason I am very relieved.

But I’m counting on a referendum to be back in within 10 years. Very clever of Starmer to make clear that every negative consequence of this is on Boris’ head.

lurchersrule · 24/12/2020 22:13

Such a sad day. Yes, better than no deal but we have lost so much and gained nothing. Johnson and his cronies' posturing and crowing is nauseating and will be swallowed whole by so many idiots who may well vote him in again next time. I just want my country back. Feeling really low today.

Dongdingdong · 24/12/2020 22:17

From what I’ve read so far, it sounds like Boris has secured a truly spiffing deal. Hurrah!

Bluntness100 · 24/12/2020 22:17

It is much better than no trade deal and leaving under th withdrawal agreement terms only.

It’s factually not as good as being part of the eu. Could it be, possibly yes, but it will take us a long time to get there. We don’t have the same might as the eu to negotiate terms with other non eu countries, clearly, on our own, but we can hopefully get back to where we were before this started at some point

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Xnon · 24/12/2020 22:18

@Frazzled2207 “Very clever of Starmer to make clear that every negative consequence of this is on Boris’ head.”

It’s also only fair that Boris carries the burden. He was the face of the Brexit campaign. Personally, I think it’s right that if the referendum went Leave then it’s for Boris to own because he was the face of it in the first place.

He must stand by it. If it’s a good outcome he gains credit. If it’s a bad outcome he must take due responsibility.

Boris owns this either way.

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WhenSheWasBad · 24/12/2020 22:19

@ListeningQuietly

THis deal is marginally better than no deal

but it is MUCH MUCH worse than what we had before 23 June 2016

This is so true.

I still feel relieved though.

Frazzled2207 · 24/12/2020 22:23

Yes absolutely @Xnon
I’ll always be a Remainer and personally hope that it will become clear to all in time that brexit is/was a stupid idea. I just hope that not too many jobs will be lost in the meantime.

NiceGerbil · 24/12/2020 22:25

I'm also a strong remain person.

Of course I'm pleased. The idea that people who voted remain/ believe in the 'european project' / think being joined with them was been beneficial. Would want things to go to shit so they could say I told you so... I mean that's a hell of a thing to say about people.

DodoApplet · 24/12/2020 22:25

No doubt Johnson will claim this as a victory - but let’s not forget that he caused this shambles in the first place, bearing in mind that it was his popularisation of the Leave campaign that gave it the momentum it needed to take off. Without him, it would have been just a loose alliance of hedge-fund managers and extreme right-wingers - and that almost certainly wouldn’t have been enough to carry the day. It’s rare that a foul-up of this magnitude can be traced directly back to the overblown ego of just one individual, but this is such a time. He has much to answer for.

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 24/12/2020 22:27

My local area is really big on seed potato sales and potato research. I can't understand why seed potato sales weren't covered.
It feels really dismal tbh.

I haven't really looked into what else isn't included - just going on headlines and articles I've found on my feed. Will read the guardian article linked - thanks!

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 24/12/2020 22:27

Oh also gutted about erasmus.

Hollybutnoivy · 24/12/2020 22:29

@frazzled2207 it's been so eye wateringly expensive that I don't think there can be any doubt it is a stupid idea. Still glad that it's not no deal though.

NiceGerbil · 24/12/2020 22:29

The whole thing was so random in the first place.

Very little lead in. Highly spun info/ lies. Seems like the Russians were up to no good with it. Financial dodginess.

Cameron did it to appease a part of the conservative vote. I don't think he considered in a million years that the vote would be to leave.

Many people (on both sides) don't really know the nuts and bolts, even now!

Where was the neutral factual info, aside from the political? This is how much we pay in, take out. We would leave this and this but not this. These are the trade rules, free movement rules. Etc etc. There was nothing like that.

It was a mess from the start.

chomalungma · 24/12/2020 22:44

Well- we're saving £8 billion or whatever we paid in per year.
No point rerunning all that.....about how much all this has cost us in lost growth and future lost growth.

We are now an independent coastal nation......who will do a lot of our trade with the EU.

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Xnon · 24/12/2020 22:50

@NiceGerbil

The whole thing was so random in the first place.

Very little lead in. Highly spun info/ lies. Seems like the Russians were up to no good with it. Financial dodginess.

Cameron did it to appease a part of the conservative vote. I don't think he considered in a million years that the vote would be to leave.

Many people (on both sides) don't really know the nuts and bolts, even now!

Where was the neutral factual info, aside from the political? This is how much we pay in, take out. We would leave this and this but not this. These are the trade rules, free movement rules. Etc etc. There was nothing like that.

It was a mess from the start.

Don't forget the whole nostalgia of the British Empire.

"We once owned the world so we can go it alone."

World has moved on. India was one of Britain's strongest and most profitable colonies; a lot of Brexiteers appear to have forgotten the importance the colonies played in the British Empire and World Wars. The Empire is not likely to come back.

Or maybe they don't think they will get the empire back? Maybe they just want to be Independent at whatever cost?

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DemolitionBarbie · 24/12/2020 22:51

No deal was ruled out as soon as Biden won in the US.

We've spent a shit ton of money to make trading harder with our biggest trading partner. It's mortifyingly stupid.

I think we need to go through the humiliation of Brexit to get over WWII and the end of empire. I hope we'll rejoin once the boomers die off, to be frank.

Jellykat · 24/12/2020 22:53

Glad its not a 'no deal scenario' BUT having not seen the 2000 or how ever many pages of details there are, i'm expecting that someones gonna be shafted somewhere.. i guess we'll find out in time who/what that is..

Does anyone know what has been sorted re. Northern Ireland?

Defenbaker · 24/12/2020 23:01

YANBU, it's a relief. Leaving with no trade deal would cause a massive amount of uncertainty and stress, which is the last thing we need on top of Covid19.

Time will tell as to whether this is a good deal (or even just May's original deal, tweaked slightly), but this soft Brexit seems like a good compromise for leavers and remainers.

Sinful8 · 24/12/2020 23:06

I notice free movement is gone and we have points based immigration now.

Wasn't that one of the main leave goals?

And the one remainers said would never ever be conceeded?