To feel relieved that it’s not a no-deal outcome!

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Whether you’re Remain or Leave the fact is that Brexit is going ahead. I was genuinely scared of a no-deal outcome especially after the weird 2020 we have had.

I don’t know the full details of the deal but I’m just glad that there is a deal rather than no-deal at all. Anyone else feel the same?

Brexit: Boris Johnson hails free trade deal with EU

At least that’s something. I was worried about trading under WTO rules.

Thoughts?

It’s going to be fantastic. The EU will have the deal to swing around over our heads to ensure we follow their standards for years with the threat of us breaking the deal if we don’t comply.

Sabrina The key point is that the tarrifs can only be as large as the fishing lost, so max £160m on £294bn of exports.
The ideal scenario is to not issue the unused EU quotas to turn some/lots of UK waters into marine parks and protected areas. In reality this would actually increase catch from non-UK waters as stocks increased.

@Walkintal

But the point is that the EU would apply those punitive tariffs to UK fishing exports, as well as reduce access for UK boats to EU waters, and that will be very painful for the industry. There aren’t other easily accessible markets for the fish that British people generally don’t eat so we sell predominantly to the EU.

So the UK trying to unilaterally take back more fishing waters and denying access to the EU after 2026 would be shooting the industry in the foot.

In summary, the agreement cuts EU quotas over 5 years by 25% - but this is only £140m worth of fish, so less than a tenth of the figures promised by Brexiteers and amounts, on average, to a 2% a year increase in UK quotas.

Additionally, the agreed increase in quotas will benefit the bigger boats run by large companies rather than the smaller ones.

Add in the amount of additional paperwork now required for exports, and you can see why UK fisherman feel short changed.

@SabrinaThwaite

In summary, the agreement cuts EU quotas over 5 years by 25% - but this is only £140m worth of fish, so less than a tenth of the figures promised by Brexiteers and amounts, on average, to a 2% a year increase in UK quotas.

Additionally, the agreed increase in quotas will benefit the bigger boats run by large companies rather than the smaller ones.

Add in the amount of additional paperwork now required for exports, and you can see why UK fisherman feel short changed.

Oooh you do like to mis-inform...

According to the National Federation of Fishermen's Organisations , which has been briefed on the matter by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, EU fishing quota in UK waters will be reduced by 15% in the first year and 2.5 percentage points each year after. According to the National Federation of Fishermen's Organisations , which has been briefed on the matter by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, EU fishing quota in UK waters will be reduced by 15% in the first year and 2.5 percentage points each year after.

www.bbc.com/news/46401558

So according to you it is an increase of just 2% per annum over 5 years. Not good at maths are you? How would 2% over 5.5 years compound to equal a 25% increase? Answers on a postcard.

UK fishermen currently catch (in value) around £850m of fish, from 2026 they will have £145m extra in value, that's a 17% approx increase over 5.5 years.

From 2026, the EU have the right to impose tariffs on our biggest export market, should we unilaterally increase our share... of course if the EU reduce their quotas (very likely) UK have to follow suit too.

Oh sorry, I didn’t use the BBC. I used the, you know, like the fishing trade guys.

The EU quota is reduced by 25% by 2026. The added value is to UK fisherman is £140 million by 2026, which equates to around a increase of 2% of quota each year.

Mind you, if you want to go full Brexitty, have a look at Martin Daubney’s figures.

So my maths is just fine, thank you for asking. That’s why I have STEM degrees and you’ve done something with politics.

BTW, how’s that 58 to 42 figure of yours working out for you?

This deal is a fuck-up. It's totally ignored the 80% of UK industry that is the service industry.
DH travels a lot in Europe for work, and it's a disaster for his industry. Limits on how long he and his colleagues can work there, limits on the number of stops the actual equipment trucks can do - what was seamless is now a nightmare. A hugely successful industry services sports, events, gigs etc just rendered uncompetitive compared to other EU countries.

Also really great to have that to contend with after the industry has been humped sideways by covid.

Slow fucking handclap.

of course if the EU reduce their quotas (very likely) UK have to follow suit too.

Jasjas when you move to France do you think you will still be as interested in the effect of Brexit on UK?

Might as well have been 58/42. We are leaving.

Your numbers are wrong on fisheries.

I’ll let you take that up with Lichfield and Stewart. I’m sure your superior maths skills will dazzle them.

Daubney’s figures will blow your tiny mind.

Ooh. Insults from the BTLer.

From that BBC article you can back-solve the numbers.

Pre deal:
UK -£850m (59.4%)
EU - £580m (40.6%)
Total - £1430m

After 5 years:
UK - £995m (69.6%)
EU - £435m (30.4%)
Total - £1430m

UK share increases by 17%.
EU share decreases by 25%.

You really are the gift that just keeps on giving.

But please do carry on. I’m all ears about this mystery persona that you’ve created for me based on a radio soap character.

I just thought it was quite funny that she was a bit shit at baking.

@SabrinaThwaite

You really are the gift that just keeps on giving.

But please do carry on. I’m all ears about this mystery persona that you’ve created for me based on a radio soap character.

I just thought it was quite funny that she was a bit shit at baking.

With terrys use of the ‘you’ word how do you actually know they are talking about you

UK share increases by 17%

Or...

It goes up from 49%to 59% in 5 years...

So 10% (percentage points)

So both of you could be right. Isn't that a happy thing

@RufustheSniggeringReindeer

The Fabulous Terry seems to have confused me with a radio soap character - it’s quite funny really, I can enjoy a whole new life in a parallel (albeit completely fictional) universe.

@chomalungma

UK share increases by 17%

Or...

It goes up from 49%to 59% in 5 years...

So 10% (percentage points)

So both of you could be right. Isn't that a happy thing

Quite. It’s almost like it’s worth a 2% a year increase in UK quotas each year

@TerryHearn

Ooh. Insults from the BTLer.

Now you are just continuing to goad. What's the relevance of the BTL jibe? What does it add to that statement?

Is calling someone a BTLer an insult? Sorry if you feel that way. I’m sure the rental income will help you get over it.

@Andante57

of course if the EU reduce their quotas (very likely) UK have to follow suit too.

Jasjas when you move to France do you think you will still be as interested in the effect of Brexit on UK?

I think your jealous, you like mentioning this :)

But to answer your question, yes, same as i cared about Cornwall/UK when i worked in Sweden or SA or even London, the UK will always be my "home" i also have a lot of family here.

Perhaps you should ask some of the very successful pro brexit business people who have now moved abroad if they still care about the UK?

Europe is always better with a strong UK at its centre, whether Brexit is an economic success or not is somewhat irrelevant, brexit removes the UK from europe (obv not geographically! though i think some on here would prefer that too)

"Sorry if you feel that way"

The classic non apology from someone out to goad. Perhaps you haven't managed to understand what it means to post within the spirit of the site.

@ilovesooty

"Sorry if you feel that way"

The classic non apology from someone out to goad. Perhaps you haven't managed to understand what it means to post within the spirit of the site.

I think you need to read both sides of the story. I was replying to someone who had told me I had a “tiny mind”. The same person has been “goady” for the last dozen pages. You just see one side though. The same as the Brexit argument.

I think you’re conflating the phrase “blow your tiny mind” with you actually having a tiny mind.

If the cap fits ... although that leads into idioms about dynamite and hats.

I do have an interesting historical anecdote about hats and dynamite though.

@SabrinaThwaite

I think you’re conflating the phrase “blow your tiny mind” with you actually having a tiny mind.

If the cap fits ... although that leads into idioms about dynamite and hats.

I do have an interesting historical anecdote about hats and dynamite though.

Nice try. Your comment was directed at me. You have been throwing insults around so don’t now deny it.