Just got banned from Hampstead Mums

[FestertheJester]

Kind of laughing. Kind of annoyed. Figured out why the virus is spreading though...

Pointed out that visiting multiple shops for non essential items was poor form in Tier 4. Also said if people actually needed food and couldn't access it I could help with referrals.

I mean are we all going to multiple shops looking for stollen bites, cocoa nibs and gingerbread houses?

Is anyone actually taking Tier 4 seriously?

YANBU - Taking it seriously
YABU - Not taking it seriously, visiting five shops for non essential items is fine.

(Daily Mail Journos - feel free to join the group for your scoop - it's like overheard in waitrose on steroids)

probably more likely that you'd get run over in the supermarket car park than get Covid from the supermarket.
What! How many people do you think got run over in supermarket carpark since March.
Also the vulnerable don’t need to go to five supermarkets. They only need to go to one two weeks later for their essential shopping and catch Covid off the asymtomatic selfish shopper who went to five!

I just think that “essential shop” is highly subjective. For instance, most people seem to equate Christmas with the need to buy a turkey, don’t they. No turkey, no Christmas lunch - this is instilled in people’s minds, basically. So if Tesco - shock horror- was out of turkeys, or cranberry sauce, or stuffing or whatever they would no doubt deem it essential to go to another shop. Whereas for me, I can’t see any need for this whatsoever.

On the other hand, if you’re stuck indoors with four young kids who can’t see any friends etc and you remember how they loved making gingerbread houses last year etc, you might be tempted to go get one. This might be more “essential” to you than turkey or cranberry sauce or whatever other things people equate Christmas with.

Everyone is different and in different family circumstances and this is obvious and common sense.

[quote FestertheJester]@Gwenhwyfar think that was for me - yep shops are- hence why they've closed the non-essential ones and only shops in malls with outdoor openings are allowed to be open in T4.[/quote]
Shops are a key place for transmission? Show me the stats. I don't believe it. They've closed non-essential shops just as most non-essential things are closed to reduce transmission. It's not because shops are particularly dangerous.

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"I just think that “essential shop” is highly subjective."

Nothing is really essential is it? They could drop us all food parcels and tell us we can only drink tap water, but instead we can buy chocolates and alcohol and all the things that make life easier.
I'm abroad and in our last lockdown, they kept bookshops open while also taping off cleaning equipment in supermarkets. Is a book more essential than a mop?

@Zilla1

if I have to visit dozens of independents, not supermarkets like your erroneous post, to feed her growth and ensure she stays in tune with the world's cultures then I won't apologise for that

If she's likely to become out of tune with the world's cultures because one year she couldn't eat stollen, maybe you need to try harder with your indoctrination

@onlythepianoplayer

YABU. If you're shopping, you're shopping. It doesn't make fuck all difference if you're in waitrose for essential stollen or in asda for sprouts.

I wouldn't call people out on their shopping habits personally, but you're wrong when you say it wouldn't make a difference.

OP is taking an issue with people who go to multiple shops, when one would do.

Suppose the shopper is carrying the virus (which any of us could be - the whole reason it's spreading is because we don't know). They go into their local shop to pick up essentials then go home (having ordered their main shopping online, as is sensible). They may have passed it onto some people in the shop, because they hadn't organised their online shopping properly - not great, right?

Then imagine they hadn't bothered with online shopping at all, so they visit a total of 5 shops. Suddenly, the possibility of infection is much, much higher - and that one person doing their shopping could have infected many more.

Don't you understand that this premise is exactly why we've locked down? Because the more places people go, the more the virus spreads?

To say it makes 'fuck all difference' is ridiculous, and makes me wonder if you've even switched the news on this year.

@ForestNymph

Mind your own business OP

Covid is everyone's business unfortunately

[quote FestertheJester]@quest1on Camden (the old train yard) - it's no where near Hampstead (neither is Ikea)[/quote]
Morrison's Camden is 10 mins drive down the road from Hampstead or two tube stops

Covidiot when you say Don’t be ridiculous- absolutely no-one is saying that. It’s an essential item. It’s really not difficult to understand that would suggest you believe the OP knows what everyone going into more than one shop is going in there for. She has no idea.

Frankly, if someone wants to go into three food shops to get something that is going to make their Christmas more bearable, and they are wearing a mask, washing their hands, then why the hell shouldn't they. Flagrant breaking of the rules is one thing, but being down on people for simply trying to make something a bit more bearable is pathetic. For all the OP knows, some of those people she's castigating may have lost family members recently, be suffering depression, desperately clinging on.

Where's the fucking empathy for other's situations? We're not talking about people organising fucking parties.

@trulydelicious, My mantra is 'must try harder', in the original sanskrit obviously.

Yabu.

Isn’t the message of tier 4 ‘stay at home’? I’m not really sure now is the time to be maximising your time in places where you could be exposed to Covid.

Clearly, there are lots of people who think otherwise.

Yanbu.

[quote FestertheJester]@CatholicKidston - exactly my thoughts. Why put you and others at risk for something that is so not essential.

Thanks for the biscuits guys![/quote]
I’m a bit annoyed that you have gone round several non essential posters to collect biscuits to be fair 😂

Non essential shops are closed in wales but supermarkets etc are selling the non essential stuff. Aldi middle aisle still full to the brim of great stuff!

Boris is looking at restoring the ‘essential retailers’ to just ‘essential’

The range, b and m etc won’t make the cut

@SomethingNastyInTheBallPool

YANBU, but people are fucking thick.

Pretty much sums it up.

"so they visit a total of 5 shops. Suddenly, the possibility of infection is much, much higher - and that one person doing their shopping could have infected many more."

I'm not sure it's so clear. Spending 30 minutes in 1 shop is probably MORE risky than going to 5 shops in 30 minutes because time spent somewhere also affects the likelihood of transmission.

Never try to tell wealthy spoiled women to be sensible and think of others, especially a jumped up admin team 😆

I've been shopping twice so far this week, the first shop didn't have everything, the second shop didn't have all the remainder so I'm going to a third shop tomorrow (plus I need more milk and fresh herbs anyway always intended to do a last minute extras shop)

@ShatnersWig

Not at all, that's essentials (though I recommend having gf flour and long life suitable milk as a general thing if you have a specialist diet, supplies aren't going to get easier with brexit)

NervTag's latest thinking is that the new strain spreads more easily in children and this could account for "a significant proportion" of the increase in transmission.

So not people going to buy gingerbread houses.

@tinselearedcow and who do you think they’re mixing with at home, the ‘Hampstead Mums’?

YABU for joining ‘Hampstead Mums’ in the first place