Would you support a new English lockdown?

[demitrimendeleev1]

Just that really
Yabu- I wouldn’t
Yanbu- I would

@Draineddraineddrained I am so sorry. What you have been through must be unbearable

using the suicide rates as a banner under which to hide their personal dislike of being inconvenienced by Covid restrictions
My dad killed himself. No I don't think people are commiting suicide because of/as a result of this pandemic are more worthy than our parents - but equally I do believe more people are contemplating suicide or have committed suicide because of what's going on in the world right now. The mental health provision has always been dire, and couldn't cope. The pressure on this service now, because of the pandemic, makes me feel we will lose many, many more people to suicide than we may have.
I'm not sickened by people highlighting this. I'm sickened by the people who claim suicide rates aren't up and no more worse than any other year

I genuinely don’t know. I don’t know what I think about it any more.

I think lockdowns are A Bad Thing. Yes, another one wouldn’t affect me too badly because I can WFH and am reasonably financially comfortable, but that is not the point - I think they’re socially, medically and economically terrible things. The collateral damage is horrific. And it seems to me that the evidence on their effectiveness is not clear cut.

But at the same time an overwhelmed health service is a very bad thing (although I question whether, given the number of people who’ve tragically died from cancer due to the lockdowns, we’ve just ended up in the same position by the back door?) Unnecessary deaths are terrible. Half the workforce suffering from long Covid would be a disaster.

In conclusion I have no idea what I think anymore. The only thing I’m sure of is that I think that half-arsed lockdowns are pointless, so this current situation of locking down the south east and having it surrounded by Tier 2 areas is daft.

A proper lockdown like other countries had would have sorted it ages ago.

Is that right though? It doesn’t seem to me that other countries have ‘sorted it’ with super strict lockdowns - it’s resurging in loads of places - most of Europe’s in lockdown for Christmas isn’t it?

As far as I can tell the countries that did ok were the countries that shut the borders and invested very very heavily in testing and tracing.

The only place that properly lockdown was China and I dont think we could that here.

The rest of Europe had various ones and are in the same boat.

Coroner speaking out, after recording seven suicides in only three days.

It is happening.

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/coroner-speaks-out-tragic-awful-19432798

The legacy of lockdown hasn't really bitten yet - at the moment we still have the government shaking the magic money tree, and the reality of a trashed economy is yet waiting to happen, but sooner or later, reality will ensue. In a few years' time when the shit has really hit the fan, the virus is forgotten but we're dealing with the fallout from lockdown, I think far more people will be saying that lockdown must not happen EVER again.

I would not support primary schools being closed.

Any lockdown which doesn't include closing schools is a complete waste of time and just destroys the economy and is losing people their jobs.

I would support a new lockdown if it included schools. Otherwise, no. I am already cross that shops and hospitality are closed. What's the point when the kids will be back on Jan 4 all close up together/spreading it willy nilly?

What's Wuhan looking like now?

@TragedyHands

What's Wuhan looking like now?

Is that what you’d prefer? Wuhan approach

As a teacher, I am dreading schools closing... 😣 I absolutely hate using TEAMS/ZOOM and can't bloody work either platform out. I'm equally dreading having to teach key worker children in school whilst being expected to teach the other children remotely at the same time! The anticipation is making me ill.

I want all children in school. I love teaching but a all of this is making me sick.
Not sure how other teachers feel! ? x

Marsha

If it worked, of course. That's why I asked what it's like there now.

@TragedyHands

Marsha

If it worked, of course. That's why I asked what it's like there now.

No matter what draconian measures still of course?

The rest of population aren’t with you (luckily!)

Yes, I'm in T1 and we have been inundated with T3 people wanting to shop, drink, party etc. It's frightening.

I just dont trust the British public to follow any sort of lockdown, having just been and M&S food hall earlier. Who on earth takes the whole family out in the middle of a pandemic?

They also think that travelling around and claiming MH issues when visiting families spoils it for the people who are genuinely suffering not the ones who are just fed up (as we all are!).

Until we recognise that a lockdown means YOU. No going to supermarkets en masse, no having a birthday because your child would be upset if it didnt happen, no sleepovers because your child is bored and you need a break too. It all just prolongs the virus and spoils it for all.

For those who are saying that the wish the schools would shut... are you SAHP's with older children I wonder. There is a teacher on another thread saying she doesnt understand Zoom or Teams and I hope to god if schools get online in Jan that they have now sorted this technology inexperience out.

I'm a teacher on maternity leave thank god, but my husband has been working throughout. Dreading a lockdown because he missed the first few months of baby's life working online doing ridiculous hours 7-9pm most days, often didn't stop for lunch. Also, if there's a lockdown the inevitable teacher bashing begins, which infuriated me because he was working so hard.

No. The country cannot afford this. People are losing their homes and livelihoods for a virus that the vast majority of people survive. I think that for months now the rules should have been if you’re vulnerable shield and if not reduce contacts (e.g. WFH) but businesses should be able to stay open.

You know what the real solution is, don't you? We should all don Hazmat suits for the rest of our lives.These should be fitted with a range of tubes and catheters, so we never have to unzip, even to carry out basic bodily functions. This will make forming relationships with other human beings virtually impossible and sex, and thus procreation, will be unachievable, but at least the currently existing humans will be safe from not only Covid-19, but all other contagious illnesses.

Of course, the downside to this plan is that the human race will die out within a few generations, but at least the existence of all of us will be stretched out to the absolute maximum duration. Centennials, here we come! Liquidised birthday cake through sterilised straws!

In fact, I think we can top even this! We should all make a universal pact to kill ourselves in the new year - humanely; we'll use the best technologies available. After all, dead people can't catch viruses, or be exposed to any risk whatsoever. It's the ultimate in safety. :) :)

Sorka - I agree with you but can you imagine if the gov had said anyone over the age of 75 must shield and stay at home because this virus hits you hard?

You only have to see the High Street and the supermarkets to realise that the older people arent shielding. Its almost like they dont think it can possibly affect them.

And here's a notion: the Government could funnel the billions of pounds they've spent on these ineffective, totalitarian measures into the NHS instead! (The propaganda budget alone must be astronomical.) Then we might actually have a health service that was fit for purpose, not just for Covid-19, but for all the other illnesses that are much more likely to kill and disable people!

They have been wilfully and systematically underfunding, under-resourcing and privatising the NHS for a decade (duh: they're Tories; hello!), and now they're using its moribund state as a stick to perpetually beat us with!

They could have started pouring all this misdirected money into the NHS 9 months ago. They could start today! Will they? Hell no! They'll still be using the NHS to emotionally manipulate and blackmail the populace in two years' time, when we're on "tier" 13 and "lockdown" 20.

Furlough alone is estimated to be costing the Government £14 billion a month, and the average annual expenditure on the NHS is about £130 billion, so they could have used furlough money to double NHS spending for the year already! Imagine what that could do!

Alternatively, they could have started over four MILLION fully funded nursing courses (assuming 30k a pop and logistics aside) in March, or earlier, with the same money.

No, I would not support a lockdown. DS1 (aged 11) has discovered the word totalitarian today and has branded our government with it. He's absolutely right.

The first lockdown didn't work, the last one didn't work, the next won't work. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results. FFS we need an economy to run things like the NHS and education. There really is no joined up, logical thinking here at all in suggesting another lockdown.

@leiaskye

No, I wouldn’t support.

I have been working from home since just before the first lockdown as my company sent us home. I actually like it & don’t want to return to the office.

However, the country is on its knees. For an illness you have less than 1% chance of dying from. I know people have lost loved ones. Although I haven’t, 2 members of my family have had it, & I know if my mum was to catch it, she probably wouldn’t survive,

However, I am much more worried for future generations.

The only saving grace (& selfish, I know), is my children are only 10 & 13. So I’m hopeful that the economy will have turned around & there will be decent jobs for them by the time they need them. Providing they can stay in school to get the education they need & deserve.

No more lockdowns, please Boris.

I'm not so sure about it being a 1% chance. Today's figures show 21.1m people tested positive and over 63k deaths.

Isn't that over 3%? (Although I'm very tired, and my brain isn't working too well)

@LakieLady 63k deaths out of 21.1m is a death rate of 0.3%

That’s assuming one positive test per person and doesn’t take account of the many people who’ve had it but not had a test.

What do people suggest other than lockdowns ?

Follow Sweden’s example?