Would you support a new English lockdown?

[demitrimendeleev1]

Just that really
Yabu- I wouldn’t
Yanbu- I would

Please try to remember that many elderly disabled people will have told the care workers that usually come to their homes that they wernt needed because they were expecting to be with family.
So family will have to do the care even if they dont usually. Another thing not factored in by Boris and Chums.

[quote Lorius]@demitrimendeleev1

Myself, DH and the DC (12 and 9) have not left the house since March, no.[/quote]
Your poor poor kids haven’t left the house since March ? Wtf. That is abuse. You should be ashamed of yourself!

No, I will not support it and I will not be following it. I’m done with lockdowns and all that shit and most of the people I know are too.

Had a lovely day out today with my kids to a xmas themed animal park and met Santa. Fed the animals, played on all the equipment, got some good and had a great day. Felt like normal!

Food, not good.

Lockdown should be absolute last resort.

No one wants a lockdown but the only reason we are in the mess we are is the government dithering (on multiple occasions) and giving out poor messaging leading to people not doing what they need to do to make the "lockdowns" we have had effective. Its clear we need to get ahead of the virus this time, not wait for it to get bad before scrabbling to react. I think its necessary to keep low infection areas safe.

Yes, if it includes secondary schools. Pointless without.

Lockdown for me means not seeing my disabled DC who is in a care home so it's not without sacrifice for me. In tier 4 here and can't see DC currently because of tier 4 over Christmas.

I think we need a proper lockdown though not the pretend November one which took me longer to drive to school than pre Covid times because of all the traffic.

January lockdown with secondaries closed bar keyworker and vulnerable children at school and possibly year 11 and 13 on a rota. All rest online.

No,. But greater enforcement to not travel out of your area.

We live in Cheshire,. Dsis is in tier 2 near tier 3 border and the pubs and restaurants are full of folk from tier 3, and obviously Mixing households inside restaurants ie. It. Is quite obvious that some groups sitting indoors were from multiple households. While in the tier 3 area a friend's takeaway service that had been busy before the 2nd December is extremely quiet - as the customers are all over in tier. 2 living it up and spreading. Whilst I do understand that the restaurants have had a shit time, it will. Only get shitter if those in higher risk tiers come in and spread it.

Over the next 2 weeks, all the furniture in my house will be moving into storage, and me and my wife and our dd will be moving into my parents house!

We can no longer afford the rent on our house, we have already missed 2 payments on rent, our landlord has divided the 2 months rent between the months we have left on our contract, and i we cant afford it any longer!

We have ripped through our savings( was going towards a mortgage)

We have direct debits that we are missing every month because of the reduced income we have now!

My mental health is fucking shot to bits, i had a suicide attempt a few years ago and i am starting to get the same feelings again!

Quite frankly i dont give a flying fuck anymore, the virus has effected my family too much now, to a point i have kost my home!
Always seems to be the people who live comfortably that want a lockdown, fuck you!

@lorius is absolutely winding us up.

In the highly unlikely event that you're not, can you please describe your house, garden, job, income, hobbies, family situation. We're all ears as to how you have managed to not once leave the house since March.

@Charlie63849
Had a lovely day out today with my kids to a xmas themed animal park and met Santa. Fed the animals, played on all the equipment, got some good and had a great day. Felt like normal!

That's nice (no genuinely, no not being sarky)
It's nice you can do that.
Can you not see though that what the fuck is the point of some areas being able to do that whereas others like mine have had everywhere shut for weeks/months/whatever.
Are we in lockdown or not?!
I mean, literally two miles down the road from here and I'm set apart from the rest of my family - who are Tier 2.
Go see Santa - all happening. Here? Nope, it's all shut. It's supermarkets and what's deemed necessary, that's your lot that's open.
Just.... what? We're only literally a couple of miles away.

@maddening

No,. But greater enforcement to not travel out of your area.

We live in Cheshire,. Dsis is in tier 2 near tier 3 border and the pubs and restaurants are full of folk from tier 3, and obviously Mixing households inside restaurants ie. It. Is quite obvious that some groups sitting indoors were from multiple households. While in the tier 3 area a friend's takeaway service that had been busy before the 2nd December is extremely quiet - as the customers are all over in tier. 2 living it up and spreading. Whilst I do understand that the restaurants have had a shit time, it will. Only get shitter if those in higher risk tiers come in and spread it.

I'm not doing it myself, and haven't and wouldn't. Am starting to see why people would though as it is getting beyond ridiculous. What with all these half arsed pathetic you can but you can't rules.

@Bookriddle How absolutely shit. Im so sorry

@KnowingMeKnowingYule Tell my hairdresser it was a pretend lock down.

@demitrimendeleev1 I voted YANBU. I hate lockdown, unlike most people it seems, I am not outdoorsy at all and a true city girl- i live for the city buzz and going to shops, restaurants, cafes and town centres. When the shops opened, i went to browse on the first day. & when the shops aren't open, I just end up staying home and have no motivation to go out. I live near highgate woods but I am just not the kind of person who likes long country walks (unlike most of Mumsnet).

But I would support a lockdown because I don't think we have a choice. If we let infections spread, not only would many die but the economy would be wrecked anyway. People think that its the lockdown that is causing the recession, but its actually the virus as proven by Sweden which had one of the highest death rates and also a painful recession. And we would be banned by more countries who would fear the virus getting back in their borders. Achieving a low infection rate is the only way out of this mess and I don't see how we can do that without lockdown.

[quote MercyBooth]@KnowingMeKnowingYule Tell my hairdresser it was a pretend lock down.[/quote]
I meant pretend in the fact that the elephant in the room, the thing that has the biggest effect on the R number eg schools closing/some form of school closure/reduction was not employed. I have every sympathy for those in hospitality, personal services, the arts etc as they have had to jeopardise their livelihoods to keep schools open during the pandemic and I can tell you not all the kids out there have realised (or cared about) the sacrifices others have made so they can stay in school.

@KnowingMeKnowingYule why should school children care about it? They've suffered horrendously too and they didn't ask for schools to open back up it was decided for them

[quote Quaagars]@Charlie63849
Had a lovely day out today with my kids to a xmas themed animal park and met Santa. Fed the animals, played on all the equipment, got some good and had a great day. Felt like normal!

That's nice (no genuinely, no not being sarky)
It's nice you can do that.
Can you not see though that what the fuck is the point of some areas being able to do that whereas others like mine have had everywhere shut for weeks/months/whatever.
Are we in lockdown or not?!
I mean, literally two miles down the road from here and I'm set apart from the rest of my family - who are Tier 2.
Go see Santa - all happening. Here? Nope, it's all shut. It's supermarkets and what's deemed necessary, that's your lot that's open.
Just.... what? We're only literally a couple of miles away.[/quote]
I totally agree. I think it’s all a massive fuck up.
My parents live literally 10 mins (if that) drive up the road and they were in tier 3, yet I’m 2 and if I went to the edge of tier 2, I’d be about a 3 min drive from them.

I hope you have a great xmas though!

@hopingforonlychild

I don't think Sweden's strategy has been a total disaster considering they've done absolutely nothing.

The BBC claims a 5% shrinking of the economy so not sure about a recession but will stand corrected if you have a more up to date source.

Death rates are higher naturally but we're not comparing like for like as the rest of Europe has chosen to slow down the spread. I have to keep reminding myself that the point of lockdown isn't to save lives directly from covid-19 but via access to medical care in hospitals. It was always accepted and inevitable that deaths were going to occur but we've taken action to slow it down as it's virtually impossible to stop transmission in modern society.

Therefore the only comparison can be done after we know how much if our respective populations have contracted and died as a result.

But ultimately we're still talking about ~8000 deaths from a population of ~10 million so still a tiny percentage.

Sweden's problem is that they've literally done nothing, so no shielding of the vulnerable. I feel if they'd done that at least, they'd be streaks ahead of everyone.

IMHO what they've shown is that locking down is mostly pointless as it's not like 5, 10 or even 20% of their population had died. The percentages are still incredibly low and the rest of the population are living relatively normally.

I hope you have a great xmas though!

Thank you, you too

@GlummyMcGlummerson I am talking about secondary here. I do believe pupils are mature enough at that age to understand that other people are sacrificing so much so they can get an education during a pandemic. I think personally that it is important they realise this and are occasionally reminded of this. Of course the majority of kids I teach were happy and grateful to be back in school but there were some who blatantly refused to wear masks, tried to close windows, cross the teachers line at the front, mess around with low level disruption disturbing the learning of others and I know September-December presented a lot of behaviour issues in many many secondaries. I have long believed that kids being the centre of everyone's universe is not good for them and to be honest I do think they need to be shown the bigger picture of other people's sacrifices.

Sorry if that's too Mr Bronson but there we go.

I am talking about secondary here. I do believe pupils are mature enough at that age to understand that other people are sacrificing so much so they can get an education during a pandemic

But they're not sacrificing anything "for" anyone; they're losing businesses, jobs, homes etc because of the impacts of enforced laws. Schools remaining open isn't a result of some altruistic business owners and elderley people. No one has said "I'll close my business so other people's kids can get an education".

FWIW I teach secondary and my pupils have been through enough, especially those who got screwed over in exams. I'm sure saying thank you to people who haven't actually sacrificed anything "for" anyone is the last thing on their minds. They didn't ask for any of this.

@whiterabbitsweets from June to August, they shrank 8.6%. and even if the government did not do anything as you say, they did encourage people not to go out and people in Sweden have the ability to self isolate (high percentage of people living alone) and a comprehensive welfare system, they are reputed to be more civic conscious. However, their strategy has failed and even their king has come out to say it's a disaster.

It's a pandemic and sadly it does mean that it goes hand in hand with a massive recession. I grew up in a country badly affected by SARS and even though it was less widespread and there was no lockdown and I was only off school for a few weeks, the Economy was dreadful for several years.

@GlummyMcGlummerson it's all about the trade off though isn't it? We couldn't have everything open during the pandemic so to keep schools open (effect on R rate of 0.4-0.7 I think) other areas of society were closed down (despite having far less impact on the R) as a payoff as part of the fictional 'national priority for education' (fictional as you know down to the fact there was no money to prioritise it). So yes kids are in school as the judgement that it's a priority but it's had huge knock on effects on other parts of society.

@KnowingMeKnowingYule but nobody asked for that - we are all just going along with what we're being forced to do. Gratitude and recognition should come of each other but no one specific group should be especially thankful to another. Though we should all be raging at our joke of a government who've made a right pigs ear of the whole thing