Would you support a new English lockdown?

[demitrimendeleev1]

Just that really
Yabu- I wouldn’t
Yanbu- I would

@mrsm43s

I wouldn't, but only because i wouldn't support a blanket closure of schools.

By lockdown I meant the rules in March so yes that would include schools

@Requinblanc

No. What is the point? lockdowns don't work.

Shield the vulnerable and the elderly. The priority is fixing testing, track and trace and speeding up the vaccine delivery.

NHS gets 'overwhelmed' every winter so I am getting a bit sick of healthy people having to stay indoors to 'save the NHS' when frankly the NHS should be here to save us. Most of us won't require hospital treatment if we get the virus. The stats remain that the average age of a person dying of this is 82, higher than the average life expectancy while 90% plus of the people who get infected survive. That's what we need to remember. Not the media-whipped hysteria.

Long Covid is affecting 10% of people who get it for longer than 3 months.

Also, yes winter pressures always exist but blimey, add on Covid and it's an absolute nightmare. Kent hospitals have already had to stop non-urgent procedures.

Downplaying it won't help the actual situation which is that many people are dying prematurely from this. And others are losing wages and suffering long Covid symptoms.

It failed because the second we had to go back to regular life it all started all over again.

Cost millions in furlough, benefits , left women locked up with their abusers and fir what?

Isnt the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome?

I'm in a tier 4 area. We somehow went from tier 2 to tier 4 despite a lockdown.

No, because it doesn't work. Support elderly and vulnerable who want to stay in, but leave the rest of us alone to get on with our lives.

Yes.

It wouldn't affect me much. I'm a SAHM working evenings and DH works from home in a secure job. We have a support bubble. So we are some of the very lucky ones. But, I still wouldn't support a lockdown. This year has already been disastrous for so many industries including (but not limited to) retails and hospitality. I would like some of those businesses to remain to see 2021. Children missing months of school and parents trying to juggle work and homeschool is just storing up problems for the future, I would never support doing that again.

I wouldn't. It must be clear by now that lockdowns are not solving anything, only kicking the can down the road. We need to begin to work out how to function as a society and an economy alongside the virus, not running inside, closing the door, sticking our fingers in our ears and going "la la la we can't hear you" every now and then, hoping that that is going to make a blind bit of difference. What do people think lockdowns are going to achieve? - the virus is going to slope off, defeated?

We just need to get on with life now.

No. That ship has sailed with the quasi lockdown in March.

Too many exemptions and too many not following the rules, including those that set them. Dominic Cummings dealt the strategy a fatal blow. He should have been made an example of. It's far too clear that it's one rule for them and one for the rest of us so why should we comply? ( rhetorical question before someone jumps on me)

@user1494055864

No, because it doesn't work. Support elderly and vulnerable who want to stay in, but leave the rest of us alone to get on with our lives.

Who is going to support them if everyone is getting on with their lives? Can't believe this ridiculous foot stamping suggestion is still being trotted out.

No. Shut the schools and it won't be necessary

@Whatwouldscullydo

It failed because the second we had to go back to regular life it all started all over again.

Cost millions in furlough, benefits , left women locked up with their abusers and fir what?

Isnt the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome?

I'm in a tier 4 area. We somehow went from tier 2 to tier 4 despite a lockdown.

I agree. The November lockdown was a clear failure as most areas were in a worse situation after the lockdown. Why they think this one will be any different is beyond me!

If that is what the majority of experts think shall prevent more people dying and putting the NHS under immense pressure that it shall not possibly be able to cope with then yes

Lockdowns do work that’s why they have been used worldwide they prevent the rapid spreading of the virus it doesn’t completely stop the spread of the virus

Only if schools are closed. I’m in tier 4 so pretty much lockdown anyway. I’m only keeping to it for so long unless they close the schools. Schools are one of the biggest causes of transmission, it’s unfair to keep them open and keep us in lockdown long term.

No I wouldn’t support it. So many businesses have closed down and children need to be in school. I know one child close to me who has had 7 WEEKS off school since they reopened in September. She’s doing her GCSEs and it’s having a profound impact on her academically and emotionally.

Both lockdowns made no real difference so what’s the bloody point? Shall we all just sit at home and lose our livelihoods and educations and have no joy in life ever again for nothing?

On the app so can't vote.

No I wouldn't.

I can't work without DS being in nursery and need the gym to stay open to keep me sane.

I do think that hospitality should be closed if the government can find a way to support them.

Unless the schools close it’ll make no difference.

No point in a lockdown unless they can roll out a vaccination programme quickly enough to coincide with the time we are locked down for.

We can't lock down for months on end.

Only if schools are closed. I’m in tier 4 so pretty much lockdown anyway. I’m only keeping to it for so long unless they close the schools. Schools are one of the biggest causes of transmission, it’s unfair to keep them open and keep us in lockdown long term.

What good will that do for the children though? They need to be in school or else there will be bigger problems longer term.

I agree with TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross but will follow the rules. However the latest guidance and anything new MUST be properly debated in and voted for by Parliament- our elected representatives.

Only if it was a proper lockdown with proper financial support. I have businesses, one had to close completely in November despite being an outdoor business on the site of a garden centre that was open...the financial assistance we are still yet to receive doesn't even cover the rent, which hasn't been reduced at all. My other business has remained open with restrictions, hospitality, but galling seeing shops open and so crowded when I know our coffeeshop is safe. We've actually received more financial support for the hospitality business despite having some turnover, none of it makes sense

The whole point is to kick the can down the road far enough that we can get the vaccine programme in place. What do people think 'live alongside' the virus would look like in practise? Do we just let people catch it and accept the deaths as just unfortunate?

Yes. I would support a full March style lockdown for the whole of January (and I can see it running into February too).

I’m not sure. I voted against a lockdown on balance because although I think the consequences of not locking down will be horrible, I am starting to think the consequences of a further lockdown will be even worse.

Plus there is a body of opinion which says the March lockdown wouldn’t work if it’s 70% more contagious (just heard on LBC).

I’m starting to fear that vaccine aside, this is a virus we cannot control and we are doing a lot of harm in pursuit of an unachievable aim

More business closures, more jobs lost, more homelessness, more kids living in poverty, more elderly people dying by themselves, more suicides and people suffering from mental health issues, more joy being sucked out of life and the outcome? Virus still here and will simply be re-released when everything eventually reopens. What is there to support exactly?

Unless the schools close it’ll make no difference

Our country just doesn't have the set up for it to be effective.

Our elderly family don't live with is as much as in other countries so the care is outsourced and we have far to many people having to mix households. Both the carers and the families.

Childcare and child friendly hours arent priority here . Meaning grandparents friends and families have to botch together childcare more household mixing and travelling about.

Exercise isn't a priority in schools and parents do shift work alot so it's outsourced to clubs ( more mixing and travelling). And our kids are fatter and unhealthier which is a risk factor when suffering with covid.

Living costs are high in many areas so we have loads of commuters meaning cross tier mixing , crowded trains etc

Towns have a high population density i mean houses are being built on every scrap of green , our schools even the shit ones are over subscribed