Would you support a new English lockdown?

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Just that really
Yabu- I wouldn’t
Yanbu- I would

Sweden's problem is that they've literally done nothing, so no shielding of the vulnerable

That's a myth. . Sweden did less than other countries but it wasn't 'nothing'.

They banned mass gatherings, they closed upper secondary & universities, they recommended WFH, they now have an 8 person limit, they eventually implemented a testing programme... Life did not carry on as normal.

They failed to prevent a lot of deaths just as UK failed to prevent a lot of deaths. So did France, Germany, Italy...

Sweden's failures are similar to many other countries' failures.

[quote GlummyMcGlummerson]@KnowingMeKnowingYule but nobody asked for that - we are all just going along with what we're being forced to do. Gratitude and recognition should come of each other but no one specific group should be especially thankful to another. Though we should all be raging at our joke of a government who've made a right pigs ear of the whole thing [/quote]
Agree! (With the last bit!)

Ensuring kids get an education is vital to all of us as they are the future of the country and will be paying taxes in the future (including our pensions and the enormous debt accumulating). Ultimately all measures are there to protect the vulnerable, that’s the primary reason that businesses have shut. I don’t believe that group should feel a huge debt of gratitude either as that’s what a civilised and caring society does.

In what jobs @BungleandGeorge They will need jobs to go to after leaving school/college/uni. I dont know whether you have noticed but jobs are being lost left right and centre.

@MercyBooth in the past pandemics led to better working conditions as so many of the poor young men were decimated that the remaining men could demand higher pay due to shortage of labour.but this virus kills mainly the old so probably wouldn't lead to that.

The pandemic would end and there would be new businesses and new jobs. I remember SARS lasting 2 years when I was a kid (2 years of daily temperature checks) so this pandemic would last till early 2022 probably. Hold on tight, it's going to be a rough ride.

Just a thought, if pandemic ends in 2022 , there could be many lockdowns until then... including next Christmas. I was angry they cancelled the Christmas bubble but in retrospect I should save my anger for the subsequent lockdowns!

Yea we must.
Stop the light touch policing
More fines
Get this under control

YANBU id support another lockdown. Its the only way.
I'd support it if they A- did it properly. And B- really got their arses into gear and had a plan to vaccinate before lifting lockdown.

I've read on here in the past day that schools represent anywhere between 0.4 and 0.7 of the R rate, so I'd want to see vaccination for U16s who are vulnerable too.

But yes, I'd be all for it but it would have to be for the last time and our government would need to have a plan to get out of it and allow for people and things to return to a semblance of normality, safely.

We've had too much ineffectiveness, and short term plans with plenty of chopping and changing. Our country really needs to get hold of this, so few countries are facing the same problems

What have we become when so many people are salivating and drooling over yet more extremely damaging lockdown, which is going to cause MASSIVE DAMAGE, much more damage than any virus?

Waves at the government taking a poll to decide on policy

Yanbu and for a long time.

Well they clearly don't work do they. So no.

@wanderings

What have we become when so many people are salivating and drooling over yet more extremely damaging lockdown, which is going to cause MASSIVE DAMAGE, much more damage than any virus?

We are very manipulated it’s horrible to watch

2000 hospital admissions a day does sound high, doesn’t it? Until you realise that there are over 1100 working hospitals in the UK so that’s an average of under two people per day admitted per hospital. Many will be released the same day. The regulator told the govt off for this when it used fake data to initiate the second lockdown but a couple of months later, here we are again....

My kids can’t study at home, there are lots of them and one computer. I’m expected to work and homeschool and while that isn’t a problem, I am dreading their GCSE results. It simply isn’t fair to them and their future.

This new strain is said to be 70% more infectious, not 70% more dangerous. Do you remember the 5000 dead a day predictions? Were they true? Can you trust that this isn’t just another spin???

I would support once the Oxford vaccine is ready to go and enough available
Then shut down totally and get on with it fast

NO NO NO not a chance would I !!!

No. We have a vaccine. We need to get the vulnerable vaccinated and get the fuck in with life.

Yes, I would. Because from what I can see hardly anyone is adhering to the rules. There a good proportion that are but when we see the number statistics on worldometer, it is worrying that a good lot of people are not. . .

Since March, the only places I have been are the range and Asda. I haven't taken the children out for any form of outing. Everything we have done has been home based and we have just kept busy at home. I am currently 37 weeks pregnant and anxious in regards to what is going to happen ie with my husband being able to attend the birth or will he have to watch our other children if my aunt says she cant have them while I am in labour. Unsure if we are allowed to do this, really. Might wind up in labour on my own.

I've literally just recieved an email to say my eldest ds who is almost 13, will be home learning and the school will be keeping only year 11 in due to GCSEs. However the primary still will remain in school.

I would support a lockdown at this time as the virus is going absolutely nowhere atm. The death rate is not a joke. People are living in a dream thinking it wont happen to them. I literally just lost my grandmother, she just passed away, 2 weeks ago, who is as good as the only family I have besides my husband and my children.
It's been a rough road. It's not been great during pregnancy either, with being pregnant during this pandemic and I have been trying my best to stay safe and stay home and doing only the school runs and am glad now for the holiday break so I can rest.
But When I go to the school playground , no one is standing apart, everyone is hugging or high fiving each other. Its ridiculous. On my instagram, everyone is having parties and events, meeting up and hugging, even discussing on social media just how they will be breaking the rules at christmas because they have to see their elderly and not leaving the elderly on their own this time of year. Yet they dont give a hoot that the elderly is more vulnerable etc. Shame about the other rest of the year you wont see them.
I understand people want to see their families. But there is a reason why this virus is spreading so quickly and so easily. It's really sad that not a lot of people care.
I havent seen anyone since March. Its difficult for those with mental health and I totally sympathise with those and understand their position completely and support them in eating they need to do for their own wellbeing. But there has to be more people adhering to the rules and stopping this nasty thing spreading

Nabarro - The WHO travel bans reasonable at this point

Yet at beginning not? Ridiculous

Was meant to say I support the ones suffering with mental health and supporting them in wanting* not eating, lol, on what they need to do for their own wellbeing. Silly typo!!!

No, I wouldn’t support.

I have been working from home since just before the first lockdown as my company sent us home. I actually like it & don’t want to return to the office.

However, the country is on its knees. For an illness you have less than 1% chance of dying from. I know people have lost loved ones. Although I haven’t, 2 members of my family have had it, & I know if my mum was to catch it, she probably wouldn’t survive,

However, I am much more worried for future generations.

The only saving grace (& selfish, I know), is my children are only 10 & 13. So I’m hopeful that the economy will have turned around & there will be decent jobs for them by the time they need them. Providing they can stay in school to get the education they need & deserve.

No more lockdowns, please Boris.

No.

No.

I think there will be one though, I expect before New Year.

As a parent, I want my young children to be able to see their family and friends as often as they can. I want them to be able to do activities.

As a teacher, I want schools open so that I can teach as normally as I can, and keep things interesting for my classes.

As a citizen, I want businesses to be able to run properly, providing employment and reasons for people to come to my town. I want to welcome people to my lovely area to spend their money!

Why is the government using the levers it already has?

Why no proper track and trace, especially for schools? Not just reliant on teachers sending out an email. Official notification that you must isolate with clear financial penalties if you don’t.

Why no more mass testing? It’s gone v quiet all of a sudden? They’ve had since March to sort! For starters scrap all the private lab capacity doing private testing and increase NHS testing.

Employers who want to have employees at work (not wfh) are legally mandated to justify with sufficient financial penalties if insufficient. Many unscrupulous employers aren’t letting individual wfh who are perfectly capable of doing so. They take this approach in Norway.

Instead we delay, do things half arsed and are now staring into the eyes of a full lockdown (plus no deal brexit).

only if the primary schools stay open