Some really selfish people!

[parlourpalm]

This was said by someone on the news:

"We just made the decision to leave based on the fact that my parents said come, and we couldn't bear the thought of no fresh air and a toddler going rogue round a small flat for the foreseeable," she said.

There are loads of us facing this exact situation and are just bloody well dealing with it.

@MarieIVanArkleStinks

Do Not travel. They should all be arrested.

If they haven't broken any law? Is this the type of society you want?

Careful what you wish for. And FFS don't ask Santa to bring you a jet ski.

And if he does don't try coming to the Isle of Man

Perfectly happy not to access NHS services.

Including icu and use if a ventilator if you need it ?

@Sockmonster23 I don’t think I suggested anywhere that you wouldn’t know nurses??
and I think of you add up the numbers of staff off for self isolation and illness in the uk yes it would be hundreds and hundreds.
I wonder if less people would be dying of other things if more of the workforce could work?

Go on then genius, tell us what cunning plan you have come up with to save lives and have a normal life?

I don't remember saying anything about saving lives. Unfortunately, people have to die, and this government is battling hard to stop a minority dying while impeding on the lives and livelihoods of a majority, which at this level I find unacceptable now. Don't like it? Tough.

@xmasfairybuns

Perfectly happy not to access NHS services.

Including icu and use if a ventilator if you need it ?

Yep we can deny her ICU and a ventilator as long as we also deny the same to all these other people:

1. Anyone with a BMI over over 25.
2. Anyone who does/has smoked.
3. Anyone who has ever or does take illegal drugs.
4. Anyone who engages in unprotected sex.
5. Anyone who drives recklessly and gets in a car crash. 6)Anyone who drinks alcohol.
6. Anyone who wears too many hair shirts.
7. Anyone that eats a junk/high fat /high meat diet.

Because that would exclude MOST of us, and all of the above put a huge continual drain on the NHS. So before you take the moral high ground check you are not in one of these categories.

1% of the country is 800,000 people, that is quite a lot of dead people that you are looking to sacrifice on the alter of a family get together.

@ForestNymph
How many people backing it have actually had Covid? I have. And I'd rather catch it again than live in this authoritarian dictatorship.

Of course you would, you're alright Jack. 67,075 people and the people who loved them would disagree.

[quote TibetanTerrier]@ForestNymph
How many people backing it have actually had Covid? I have. And I'd rather catch it again than live in this authoritarian dictatorship.

Of course you would, you're alright Jack. 67,075 people and the people who loved them would disagree.[/quote]
People die. Its unfortunate but thats how it is. Never before have we placed an entire country under house arrest due to a virus with a mortality rate of less than 1%

Perfectly happy not to access NHS services
Let's hope you don't wake up on Xmas day finding a lump on your breast, struggling to get a GP appointment on the 27th, get referred under the 2 week wait to find out the earliest you can be seen is in 4 weeks and by then it will be another few weeks before you get a scan, before your case is reviewed by the MDT, and another 2 or 3 months before you can start treatment or have surgery and by then, you might told that it's terminal but you could have been saved if you'd started treatment earlier.

Because this will happen. To someone. And suddenly, this Xmas will feel meaningless to the prospect of not celebrating another one.

Selfish people are selfish in all circumstances and I bet they will be the first to cry outrage (and blame the government of course) when they don't their treatment under the NHS on time.

The lack of foresight and shirt to look at the wider picture, just because they can't cope with spending one Christmas with their extended family is staggering!

@maddening

1% of the country is 800,000 people, that is quite a lot of dead people that you are looking to sacrifice on the alter of a family get together.

The whole 100% of the population will never get the virus to start with, so your sensationalist point is moot.

"a virus that is survived by over 99% of the people who contract it."
"It kills less than 1% of those who catch it."

Data please. Current data, not data from October; the situation has changed since then. Not that it would make any difference, because

At present we have quite literally no idea how many people have contracted/caught Covid-19; this figure does not exist. All we can say is that we know the number of people in this country who have tested positive as having it at the time they took the test. We cannot even assume assume this figure is completely accurate, and we certainly can't assume that similar figures from other countries (Turnkey, I am looking at you!) are accurate.

There are no figures for people who would have tested positive if they had taken a test, but did not take a test.

We cannot know what percentage of an unknown figure who have actually had it has survived it, any more than we have any data about how long it has lingered on in cases who were not hospitalised with it (or continued for months after they come out of hospital). We don't even really know how long people remain infectious for after they first have it.

I can fully sympathise with "I'm done being selfless. I did it at the beginning and it was shit and now its been nearly a year and its still shit. Sorry, not prepared to do it any longer. My responsibility is my own family, and I will put them first every time." I am fed up too, and I am not keeping to the rules in order to be selfless; I am avoiding any chance of infection as much as I possibly can because (having three co-morbid conditions none of which has been treated at all since last October, all of which should have been being monitored by specialists at least every four months all this year) I am in a seriously at-risk health category and don't want to die of stupidity.

I am absolutely certain that a very large proportion of the population of this country in 1941 would have loved to say, as I would love to be able to say, "I have had enough of this shit. Sorry, not prepared to do it any longer." The option wasn't available then, and it isn't open now: the thing which is killing people and will almost certainly kill me if I contract it is not going to go away just because I am fed up with it.

Turkey dammit, I hate predictive text things!

OP I totally agree. Many people in this country and on here are completely self obsessed. Its "me me me" with no thought for the impact they have collectively if they ignore the imposed measures.

Boris was damned if he did and damned if he didnt. If the government had cancelled Christmas three months ago, a month ago or a week ago, he would still have been wrong and the same people on here moaning how awful their lives are would have criticised him them too

The country needs us to act collectively for goodness sake. It's not a case of each for his or her own because that is the way this virus gets control.

And can everyone please stop and think ... before blindly ignoring the rules and the reasons behind them.

I hate the way so many people are basically willing to sacrifice lives on thousands of people. The mortality rate is awful as it is without restrictions it wokld be even worse and the NHS which is just about coping now would be unable to cope meaning even more deaths.

It’s shit but we all need to make the sacrifices now to help others.

And the 1941 point made by a pp is spot on.

Oh, one other thing: if a precaution works, we will never know that it did, because we will never know what would have happened if it had not been taken.

I totally understand how disappointing this must be for so many people. I know how frustrating it is when most of us will only experience mild or zero symptoms.
But we are so close to getting out of this..vulnerable people are likely to get the vaccine by March.
I agree with PP who said we all have to make our own risk assessments, but from my own experience, the people who are really taking the piss are the ones who really should be sucking it up and staying at home.
I know a few people who would be totally justified in bending the rules, but they’re the ones being responsible.

@ForestNymph

I'm done being selfless. I did it at the beginning and it was shit and now its been nearly a year and its still shit. Sorry, not prepared to do it any longer. My responsibility is my own family, and I will put them first every time.

I think you’d be hard pressed to find anyone, either on here or irl, who DOESN’T think the last 9 months have been shit.

Thankfully, not everyone has the same “fuck it” attitude as you.

@dontdisturbmenow

Perfectly happy not to access NHS services Let's hope you don't wake up on Xmas day finding a lump on your breast, struggling to get a GP appointment on the 27th, get referred under the 2 week wait to find out the earliest you can be seen is in 4 weeks and by then it will be another few weeks before you get a scan, before your case is reviewed by the MDT, and another 2 or 3 months before you can start treatment or have surgery and by then, you might told that it's terminal but you could have been saved if you'd started treatment earlier.

Because this will happen. To someone. And suddenly, this Xmas will feel meaningless to the prospect of not celebrating another one.

Selfish people are selfish in all circumstances and I bet they will be the first to cry outrage (and blame the government of course) when they don't their treatment under the NHS on time.

The lack of foresight and shirt to look at the wider picture, just because they can't cope with spending one Christmas with their extended family is staggering!

If that happens it won't be because of COVID. It's because it has always been the case and it will continue being so.

It took months (in total) to be seen by the GP,referred, get a biopsy,get results when I had my lump. That was years before COVID was even a thing.

I'd be more concerned about living in a small flat with a child for the foreseeable. They'd surely afford an actual house living further North. What a grim existence just to live in London.

I'd be more concerned about living in a small flat with a child for the foreseeable. They'd surely afford an actual house living further North. What a grim existence just to live in London.

I love London thanks. My whole family are here. I have no desire whatsoever to move up north.

Even if I wanted to, no one wants to buy my flat. What's your solution?

Really rude post.

I'd say after almost a year of this they've had enough

Where have some of been for the past year? Did you not notice that we are in a worldwide Pandemic and that thousands of people are dying?

The reason we're in this mess isn't the rules - it's because people are flouting them.

My beloved partner was one of those 'less than 100%' of people who the virus killed.
Knowing my fucking luck this year it will get me and one or all of my children as well if all the nay-saying muppets out there continue to think they know best.

I don’t know of anyone who has not broken or bended the rules(including shielders) to suit themselves/due to mental health. It’s easy for people to judge when they are not actually in that situation. I have not had to do this travel wise but I can understand why people would want to