Some really selfish people!

[parlourpalm]

This was said by someone on the news:

"We just made the decision to leave based on the fact that my parents said come, and we couldn't bear the thought of no fresh air and a toddler going rogue round a small flat for the foreseeable," she said.

There are loads of us facing this exact situation and are just bloody well dealing with it.

Humpty11, I couldn’t agree more.

@CrotchBurn

Wait does this new variant mean the vaccine is pointless?

This has been quite widely covered, even in the usual suspect tabloids. Also in, you know, actual scientific papers.

The consensus is that there will be no effect - its still the same disease just a little more transmissible. Viruses mutate all the time - its what they do and in fact I believe there are many more mutations globally.

I'm not inclined to blame people for taking any chance they get when this government has been so chaotic and leaving all tough decisions until they are forced to make them, which they feel gets them off the hook 'Well, we had to' thus throwing people into emergency mode with no notice.

No, people shouldn't have travelled last night, but this is above all the government's fault for trying to be the hero and 'save Christmas' rather than doing the right thing and being clear from the start that people should plan for distanced Christmases just for this one year.

All the posters saying "should have stopped the trains"
a) what about all the people who legitimately use the trains every day to travel to work, including all the key workers?
b) There were also reports of people renting cars and using taxis...not quite as dangerous as being crammed on a train for hours but people would still have 'escaped' London somehow if they were determined to....

@Nat6999

Boris can hardly complain about people leaving London when one of his own advisors did exactly the same in lockdown & got away with it. Had he sacked him & made an example of him then maybe there may have been more respect for what he is saying now.

I'm just wondering where Boris himself will be spending Christmas. That will be interesting.

He was clearly in Downing Street yesterday. Did he head out to Chequers before midnight to escape London? Will he go to his constituency (Uxbridge, to the west of London)?

Will he rock up at his Dad's place?

In short, will he be following his own new rules and staying put now that London is in tier 4? Same for all other MPs, of any party.

@Vintagevixen
Thanks for the patronising tip but I'm not reading the papers this month. Got coronavirused out.

It must be really exhausting going around judging stranger's actions without knowing their circumstances. What's the point in winding yourselves up over it when it's something you have no control over? If I was hellbent on getting on a train/not wearing a mask/or whatever the current 'not following the rules' gripe of the day was, someone calling me selfish isn't going to make me have a sudden epiphany and not do said thing. It's a shame 'the moral high ground' doesn't offer immunity against Covid as there seems to be a plentiful supply of it!

I've never seen so much nasty, judgemental, sanctimonious behaviour in my life as during this pandemic. A bunch of entitled wankers demanding that they are put first and protected, whatever the cost, when they wouldn't piss on anyone else if they were on fire.

Amen.

It's so myopic and short-sighted. What's happened to these people's ability to join the dots, and why isn't it glaringly obvious that economic health and mental health are inextricably linked? At what stage are they going to conclude that the collateral damage - a serious impact upon people's freedoms, mobility, non-Covid-related health (not to mention their teeth owing to lack of dentistry), mental health, the decimating of the hospitality and leisure industries, the draconian 'Rules' being imposed on an arbitrary whim from above, the reactive rather than proactive response to the crisis which leaves a lot to be desired - is worse, more fucking terrifying than any SARS-related virus, and simply not worth the price we are paying for it?

@Monsterjam I feel you, and I wish people realised that we’ve still not mentally recovered from the first wave.
You’re amazing, and thank you for still going in to work and doing the work of 3 even though you feel like you can’t physically continue. You can, and things will get better 🤞🏼

What a load of old bollocks

Do Not travel. They should all be arrested.

Are there legal powers under the Coronavirus Act that would permit this?

If so, where would adults be processed? And where would the children be taken while their parents are interviewed?

And where would the court hearings be held?

Monsterjam

The argument that it only kills 1% of people so let’s carry on regardless is so boring.
It has crippled the number of healthcare staff able to work, even if I don’t get too unwell should I catch it, I wouldn’t be able to work , hundreds and hundreds of nurses can’t work at any one time due to having to isolate. The NHS is struggling under the strain of no staff, reducing the infection rate and stopping the spread does more than just save 1% of people.
As a nurse I’m on my fucking knees with exhaustion trying to do the work of multiple people.

You are a nurse are you ?! Well you think I don’t know any personally? Stop the massive exaggeration. Enough already, people are dying of other things as well.

This is so sad. Another two weeks and the UK is going to be in real trouble. A couple of weeks after that, people will have learned the lesson and willingly give up their 'civil liberties' and stay home. By that stage it will be too late. Hospitals overrun, morgues not able to keep up. We ve seen the pictures from South Africa, New York, Italy.... We know it can happen. But by the time the UK implodes.... It will be too late for a lot of people.

@Anyoldname12

Draconian the hyperbol. If Boris had the balls to actually implement “draconian” lockdowns earlier, the shit show we’re all living in at the moment wouldn’t be so bad.

Should’ve had a proper lockdown to start. End of. I’m sick of it now. Perfectly happy not to access NHS services.

@BeardyButton

This is so sad. Another two weeks and the UK is going to be in real trouble. A couple of weeks after that, people will have learned the lesson and willingly give up their 'civil liberties' and stay home. By that stage it will be too late. Hospitals overrun, morgues not able to keep up. We ve seen the pictures from South Africa, New York, Italy.... We know it can happen. But by the time the UK implodes.... It will be too late for a lot of people.

How dramatic.

I've never seen so much nasty, judgemental, sanctimonious behaviour in my life as during this pandemic. A bunch of selfish, entitled wankers demanding that they should be able to carry on as normal, whatever the cost to those who are vulnerable, who they would not even have the decency to piss on if they were on fire. It's all about them - a base survival of the so-called fittest; those who think that 'denial' equals immunity.

@YetAnotherSpartacus

I've never seen so much nasty, judgemental, sanctimonious behaviour in my life as during this pandemic. A bunch of selfish, entitled wankers demanding that they should be able to carry on as normal, whatever the cost to those who are vulnerable, who they would not even have the decency to piss on if they were on fire. It's all about them - a base survival of the so-called fittest; those who think that 'denial' equals immunity.

The vulnerable can also be done with all this too, not just the fit and healthy.

We ve seen the pictures from South Africa

South Africa, are you sure? Yes they're having a second wave but most of the pictures I've seen of friends and family are of relatively normal life, not bodies piled up. And if they are it will be due to government inefficiency.

@YetAnotherSpartacus

I've never seen so much nasty, judgemental, sanctimonious behaviour in my life as during this pandemic. A bunch of selfish, entitled wankers demanding that they should be able to carry on as normal, whatever the cost to those who are vulnerable, who they would not even have the decency to piss on if they were on fire. It's all about them - a base survival of the so-called fittest; those who think that 'denial' equals immunity.

Its been a year. We've had enough.

@Biker47

Good for them. If more people do it, the government will know this draconian shit isn't flying anymore, and have to come up with alternatives that actually work.

Go on then genius, tell us what cunning plan you have come up with to save lives and have a normal life?

You won't because it looks like you drop and run, every time. No courage of your convictions?

@knittingaddict you are my hero! I should be braver and call out idiots like you did

According to the WHO on the bbc this variant has been around since September and they are stating that they see no evidence of it acting differently in any way. Does seem strange they are out of sync with the uk scientists despite daily comms

'The Vulnerable' also happen to be the people who have lost their livelihoods, or are suicidal.

You do know no one has taken out a patent on this?

@Aalvarino

I dont think the escapees are terrible people at all but stuck inside? Ruining childhoods?? Really...! Get a sense of proportion. You can still go to the park or out in the fresh air. Childhoods are ruined by death, serious disease, crushing poverty, things like that. Not a year of half-assed restrictions.

And childhoods are ruined by dumb parents who set a selfish example in life. Me me me.

I am also a HCP - ITU nurse.

I am not seeing a lot of what Monsterjam describes and I work all over different London units, plus of course have loads of friends in nursing and its not necessarily their experience either.

I've said this before - HCP's are not all of one opinion. Your opinion is your own and not necessarily the opinion of all HCP's.