To think more MC women should try dating WC men

[CrotchBurn]

Just realised the two happiest relationships I've had have been with working class guys. This shows my prejudice but: both were actually way less misogynistic than the MC men I went out with.

I've been with my partner who is WC for five years now. Sometimes its uncomfortable as we clash on things that we hadnt realised were pretty basic for both of us but by and large I find him much more interesting, insightful and crucially less bigoted than some of the sanctimonious pricks I've dated before, who would have a lot of "theory" but actually in practice lived in quite tight bubbles that made them prejudiced without realising it.

I feel freer with my current partner, and although he can do some "alright alright" style stuff like slapping my ass 😂 I think he is much more of an actual feminist in his actions than some of the self proclaimed "feminist" men I know who are also selfish, manipulative, and gaslighting.

Also he is very house proud (I see that as quite a working class thing) and does all the cleaning - and he takes it seriously. Meanwhile I am the higher earner and do all the cooking as I was brought up to experiment with food whereas he wasnt.

Plus - its sexy going out with a man who can build and fix stuff and repair cars and does boxing. He is a non violent person but I know if there was an apocalypse or we were attacked in the street he would sort it out.

Oh and another thing which I consider to be quite a WC thing: he always knows someone who knows someone who can get us what we need/do what we need doing as a favour.

Basically: I know it's kind of "taboo" to tall about it but AIBU to think that maybe a lot of middle class women would be happier with working class men?

I know we are not meant to troll hunt but.........

Any chance you could just find me someone to date?

Not too bothered about all this class stuff. Just someone kind and friendly please

Ffs. Class? How ridiculous. I have chosen relationships with men because I liked them and wanted to spend time with them. "Class" is not part of that.

My husband is middle class but he can definitely fix things. He has mended many of our items in the house and has built a larder and window seats. He also does most of the cooking, all the gardening and always knows what to do in an emergency. He doesn't box though.

This reads like it was written by a bored DM journo trying to while away the lonely hours at St Pancras, waiting for a train out before London goes into Lockdown.

Wow, this might be the most patronising thing I’ve ever read on Mumsnet. Well done, OP!

Right, better get my flat cap on and do some bare knuckle boxing, I am “WC” after all.

How about all the WC men who went to university and have MC careers now? where do they fit in

I'd say they were middle-class now. But then I think class can be more fluid. I think for me, it wasn't so much about being with someone from a certain class, but having fixed ideas about only being with partners who were uni educated. Crap I know. I think that was the mistake. For me.

The traditional sweeping categories of Middle vs Working class actually have very little meaning today. The differences between the two have become very blurred.

There is still a hard core elite defined by their educational upbringing, wealth and cultural outlook (think Jacob Rees Mogg, Boris Johnson, Farage etc). About a third of the modern Tory Party would still fit into that. But they probably only comprise about 3% of modern Britain.

And there is still a group of 10% Britons relatively deprived of wealth and academic completion compared to all other groups.

But the middle is just a huge grey area of interlapping people. Politicians still love to riff on and set the so called Working Class against the Middle Class but is mostly bullshit to divide and conquer for the benefit of the aforementioned 3%.

@Cam77 yes! Good summary.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-22007058

Seven social classes. Open to debate but it makes a lot more sense than the traditional two/three concept which is ridiculously outdated.

This post is like whack a mole for patronising stereotypes

I'm in two minds about this thread. My partner grew up very working class often in poverty, I grew up moderately middle class. He's able to fix things and build furniture and he's boxed previously, which I agree are sexy things, but part of the reason we work is because I'm not well-aligned to my middle class demographic. I'd like kids young, I'm not too fussed about a high-powered career, uni was always optional, wanted to meet someone and settle down very quickly etc. (these of course are all stereotypes about what MC people don't want, I'm just speaking very broadly).

So there's always going to be a middle ground that needs to be met in order to sustain a relationship. However, out of all the people I've gone out with (from every walk of life and social class) he's by far the most capable and family-oriented. Maybe being WC plays a part, I'm not sure.

Oh those darling cloth cap wearing, forelock tugging, house proud little working class men. Why not condescend to date one? Such fun

This reads like it was written by a bored DM journo trying to while away the lonely hours at St Pancras, waiting for a train out before London goes into Lockdown.

@butchyrestingface - I think you have something there.

[quote CrotchBurn]@Dongdingdong
I think maybe you need to focus more on reading than outraging. I never said all WC men do that. My point is they're more likely to. If you think middle class men are as likely to box then frankly you're just deluded.[/quote]
Boxing went on in public schools for years, were those who boxed at Eton and Harrow working class?
There are loads of city types who go to boxing gyms. They might not want to do it professionally but it's still popular.

Boxing might be a route out of poverty for some but it's never been exclusively working class.

But class aside, given that concussions can lead to domestic violence we should all probably avoid boxers and rugby players alike.

Slightly ot, but to those using dating apps stop going for people that have the same interests as you. Most people I know in long relationships would not be matched on a dating app as on paper they have nothing in common.

Slightly ot, but to those using dating apps stop going for people that have the same interests as you. Most people I know in long relationships would not be matched on a dating app as on paper they have nothing in common.

@MrsRobinsonsHandprints
That I'll agree with. I think I only matched with my partner mostly due to age and proximity (we have a very similar outlook on life but very few shared interests and hobbies). He's much better suited to me than anyone who's had the same interests previously!

Interests don't matter much in the long term if I'm honest, you can be very different in terms of what interests you (e.g. analytical vs creative personalities) and as long as you value each other and have the same core goals out of life then you'll be absolutely fine. "Interests and hobbies" only really matter in friendships IMO, and even then probably only half the time.

Stay away from our men, you cow. I'll scratch your fucking eyes out.

Get outta my pahb!!

If you feel you've got enough in common to sustain long term that's great and yes I do know where you're coming from. I'm an MC woman and my first long term relationship in my 20s was with a WC guy. It worked on a lot of levels but ultimately we didn't have enough in common or enough shared interests - as my career took off he wanted us to make choices that would hold it back (eg not moving for work). So it ran its course.
Now married to a MC guy and he's crap at fixing stuff, as am I. That is annoying.

The most malignant narcissist I have ever met was WC and others have been good guys. I've met some MC pricks and some great men. I don't think class really comes into it tbh. People are people, some are good and some aren't 🤷🏻‍♀️

Is that you Lady Chatterley?

Since working conditions and pay massively improved nearly a century ago for the masses, the only big difference in Britain class wise is between

FINANCIAL ELITE (approx 1-3%) - those who make money off stock/property while sipping their cocktails on a beach. Yes, they can hop on their laptop now and then but the money will keep rolling in basically regardless.

EVERYBODY ELSE (97-99%) who still have to get up at X time and work at least X hours a week to pay their bills. Their pay, educational background etc can vary dramatically but at the end of the day they’re still directly selling a hour of their time and acquired skills for X amount of money.

Sure there are other micro social classes, but those two above are the only ones that really count.

Oh no, I married a WC guy who can't even fix stuff