To think more MC women should try dating WC men

[CrotchBurn]

Just realised the two happiest relationships I've had have been with working class guys. This shows my prejudice but: both were actually way less misogynistic than the MC men I went out with.

I've been with my partner who is WC for five years now. Sometimes its uncomfortable as we clash on things that we hadnt realised were pretty basic for both of us but by and large I find him much more interesting, insightful and crucially less bigoted than some of the sanctimonious pricks I've dated before, who would have a lot of "theory" but actually in practice lived in quite tight bubbles that made them prejudiced without realising it.

I feel freer with my current partner, and although he can do some "alright alright" style stuff like slapping my ass 😂 I think he is much more of an actual feminist in his actions than some of the self proclaimed "feminist" men I know who are also selfish, manipulative, and gaslighting.

Also he is very house proud (I see that as quite a working class thing) and does all the cleaning - and he takes it seriously. Meanwhile I am the higher earner and do all the cooking as I was brought up to experiment with food whereas he wasnt.

Plus - its sexy going out with a man who can build and fix stuff and repair cars and does boxing. He is a non violent person but I know if there was an apocalypse or we were attacked in the street he would sort it out.

Oh and another thing which I consider to be quite a WC thing: he always knows someone who knows someone who can get us what we need/do what we need doing as a favour.

Basically: I know it's kind of "taboo" to tall about it but AIBU to think that maybe a lot of middle class women would be happier with working class men?

Ps yes to different types of misogyny.

I wondered what WC and MC meant until I opened the thread!
Is it something you can actively look for? Like, where would one find a WC man?
Don't you just get together with someone you fancy and then find out about their background?
What is the difference really? Where does a WC man get the skills you speak of, and how does a MC man avoid them? I do find being practical really... practical. My last boyfriend was due to his engineering degree. His parents were loaded. My dh is also practical but I have no idea if he is WC or MC. I mean, he works...

@GoingPlaces2021

We all secretly love a bit of rough.

I meet a lot of MC men because of my DC's school and DH's work and I am not that keen on them myself. They come across as quite wimpy to me, but then that is because I was brought up in a rough northern town. I had lunch with my SIL a few months ago with her BF and he sat there the whole time talking about what wine he likes, what cheese he was buying on the way home and where his next pretentious holiday was. I'd rather listen to a man talking about football TBH. I just found it a massive turn off.

I've been around a lot of MC men and I've never once seen them stick up for anyone. Some WC men are openly misogynistic but I find MC men's type of misogyny a lot worse.

Totally agree with everything you said. I often look at mc men and pretty much never find them attractive, I agree there's a weakness about them.

@GoingPlaces2021

We all secretly love a bit of rough.

I meet a lot of MC men because of my DC's school and DH's work and I am not that keen on them myself. They come across as quite wimpy to me, but then that is because I was brought up in a rough northern town. I had lunch with my SIL a few months ago with her BF and he sat there the whole time talking about what wine he likes, what cheese he was buying on the way home and where his next pretentious holiday was. I'd rather listen to a man talking about football TBH. I just found it a massive turn off.

I've been around a lot of MC men and I've never once seen them stick up for anyone. Some WC men are openly misogynistic but I find MC men's type of misogyny a lot worse.

This post would be funny if it weren't so depressing. What constitutes a 'pretentious' holiday, pray? And why is a wine bore more of a turn off than a football bore?

And what do you mean by 'stick up for anyone'? Saying 'I think you're being unfair to X' or throwing punches?

Djouce

A few examples:

Dropping hints about which restaurants they are going to on holiday, flying business class, doing cooking in some Tuscan hotel and going to some professionals wedding the arse end of nowhere.

Wine snobs are just awful. I learnt long ago that this is just snobbery.

Sticking up for someone - I've NEVER seen a MC man step in and pull someone up on their behaviour in public e.g. someone hassling a woman on a train, someone getting hassled in a street. I have however seen many WC men step in and warm someone.

My DB is a very good example of this. WC, works in city of London as a banker. I've been with him on trains and people have been abused, sexually harassed and he's got up and sorted it out. A lot of WC men are used to holding their own and will stick up for the underdog hoping people will return them the favour when needed. MC men just mind their own business.

These are my observations from being brought up in a WC area and living in MC areas as an adult.

Sticking up for someone - I've NEVER seen a MC man step in and pull someone up on their behaviour in public e.g. someone hassling a woman on a train, someone getting hassled in a street. I have however seen many WC men step in and warm someone.

From my own experience, I believe this is true also.

Your sample size is too small to draw any meaningful conclusions form.

I find wc men more polite in terms of opening the door, stepping aside in a shop so you can pass, letting you go in front of them in a queue etc. Mc men, from my experience, are so full of privilege they barge past full of their own self importance

@GoingPlaces2021

Djouce

A few examples:

Dropping hints about which restaurants they are going to on holiday, flying business class, doing cooking in some Tuscan hotel and going to some professionals wedding the arse end of nowhere.

Wine snobs are just awful. I learnt long ago that this is just snobbery.

Sticking up for someone - I've NEVER seen a MC man step in and pull someone up on their behaviour in public e.g. someone hassling a woman on a train, someone getting hassled in a street. I have however seen many WC men step in and warm someone.

My DB is a very good example of this. WC, works in city of London as a banker. I've been with him on trains and people have been abused, sexually harassed and he's got up and sorted it out. A lot of WC men are used to holding their own and will stick up for the underdog hoping people will return them the favour when needed. MC men just mind their own business.

These are my observations from being brought up in a WC area and living in MC areas as an adult.

I’m also WC but have lived a fairly class-mobile life. I don’t see any quantitative difference between a man who bores on about football and a man who bores on about wine. If you’re interested in the topic, it presumably isn’t particularly dull — I find wine more interesting than football, personally, but it’s pretty subjective, surely? Likewise I’d rather learn cookery in Tuscany than camp in Devon, scubadive off the Maldives, or go on a sun holiday to Tenerife, but again, it’s subjective. Because something is more of a statistically MC pursuit doesn’t make it any less valuable.

And surely you can’t help what your friends do for a living or where they choose to get married?

I’m interested in your perception that WC men are more likely to defend people being abused or harassed in public places — who, in these scenarios, is doing the harassing etc?

OP, you are describing your DH in the same tones I imagine you use to describe this amazing little Italian place you found in Weybridge. It is the most patronising thing I have ever read.

I'm wc, my longest term partner was mc and I can't say I disagree with you. Saying that, my wc dad was an abusive shit - but so was my mc ex.

I am not overly fond of a particular type of mc man - my ex and his male family and friends were all of this type, not particularly nice to women and seemed to care more about appearances above everything else. I've met more decent wc men than mc, but of course that's a small sample size and we are leaning on stereotypes a lot here.

@GoingPlaces2021

Djouce

A few examples:

Dropping hints about which restaurants they are going to on holiday, flying business class, doing cooking in some Tuscan hotel and going to some professionals wedding the arse end of nowhere.

Wine snobs are just awful. I learnt long ago that this is just snobbery.

Sticking up for someone - I've NEVER seen a MC man step in and pull someone up on their behaviour in public e.g. someone hassling a woman on a train, someone getting hassled in a street. I have however seen many WC men step in and warm someone.

My DB is a very good example of this. WC, works in city of London as a banker. I've been with him on trains and people have been abused, sexually harassed and he's got up and sorted it out. A lot of WC men are used to holding their own and will stick up for the underdog hoping people will return them the favour when needed. MC men just mind their own business.

These are my observations from being brought up in a WC area and living in MC areas as an adult.

Your London banker brother isn't working hes MC.

I'm so pleased I don't live in the UK - who knew all this class rubbish persists.

Its much simpler than it seems here, eagle. People in the real world (well the real britain) dont give a shit. Much of this is for the purposes of 'look at how broadminded I am by stating the opposite of what you would expect about working class people'. Its like when people make out everybody pretends to be middle class- its actually the other way around with loads of people desperate to state their working class credentials because they think it makes them all earthy and authentic and hard. Prolier then thou bollocks is the real menace.

Its one big joke and its treated that way really.

That's good to hear user1471565182 - sometimes I think I'm living in a parallel universe over here.

@eaglejulesk

I'm so pleased I don't live in the UK - who knew all this class rubbish persists.

If you think your country doesn't have class's you're WC

@Butchyrestingface

This reads like it was written by a bored DM journo trying to while away the lonely hours at St Pancras, waiting for a train out before London goes into Lockdown.

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@dayslikethese1

This is a ridiculous thread. Crazy thought OP but you could learn how to fix things yourself? That way you wouldn't have to rely on a man (whether MC or WC) to do it for you.

Bravo

Agree, recent posters, OP reads like Sarah Vine has had a chat with her cleaner about partners and is struggling to cobble together a column filler. This is about misogyny rather than class. It's sad these attitudes receive so much support.

If you think your country doesn't have class's you're WC

Quite happy to be WC. Honestly no-one here talks of themselves as belonging to a "class". People are either rich or not rich - some are snobby of course, but most aren't - and we all know that the snobby ones are no better than the rest of us!!

Op, you do talk some shit.

Your London banker brother isn't working hes MC.

No he's not. You can't move classes. If you went to an inner city comp and you've got a northern accent you are still WC. He's worth millions and is WC.

I'm married to someone working in the city of London. He's a Mancunian, senior management and still WC.

Jesus wept a northern accent doesnt mean you're working class. Neither does working in banking. As I said above, i suspect they just have issues around it and are desperate to reassert their authentic geezer self stated reputation

Of COURSE you can move classes - what the hell do you think social mobility is? Why do you think the gov has a task force around it? The fact that classes have become more fixed is a massive problem.