To think this might be the end of the Tory party?

[HermannlovesPauline]

I’m not a Tory voter but do you think being known as he party “that stole Christmas” is going to finish off the conservatives?

So much faffing and changing of direction - how will anyone trust them again?

No, not for a minute.

The Christmas fiasco is just distracting from the Brexit fiasco, it might even help them because, you know, killer virus means nothing that happens in the next few years was really their fault.

Plus, the reasons they all voted for Brexit still stands and the harder life gets in the next few years the more people will be determined it's all the fault of the immigrants/layabouts. There really is no one so self centred as a voter.

The Christmas fiasco is just distracting from the Brexit fiasco,

Agreed. Yesterday was a great day for burying brexit bad news.

@Leflic I would have said it’s too early to make decisions about Christmas. I would have allowed schools to shut earlier.

Not allowing mixing at Christmas isn’t the issue, it’s telling people 6 days beforehand (3 days after telling them something completely different) when people had already made plans/ bought food (or not bought food), arranged travel etc. It’s the sheer lack of care.

If we’d been told from the start that Christmas would likely be a one household affair, I don’t think people would have been so upset.

What they should have done was be realistic about Christmas in the first place, then people wouldn't be quite as pissed off.

The party that stole Christmas?
What complete and utter bollocks.
I hate the Tory party.
But even I can see that the only people responsible for this shit show are those who have consistently refused to adhere to guidance because ‘the roooooolz don’t apply to me’

This will be the end of the health service and the end every health care professional in the country who has had enough of the sheer and utter selfishness of the great British public and their fundamental inability to consider anyone other than themselves.

See MN for examples

I don't think it will be. The Conservative Party is only really good at one thing, and that is winning elections.

What I would like is for my Conservative MP and others to remove Mr Johnson as Tory leader. Then for Mr Johnson to face a criminal court.

No party would have done any better. The virus would have happened anyway and the english people voted for Brexit.
This shitstorm would have still been a shitstorm no matter who was voted in.

But no, I don't think this is going to be the end of the Tory party, if people can honestly keep voting for them when they have continued to slash budgets for schools, benefits, NHS. Have made using food banks as an alternative to feeding families and are fine with children being homeless and living in poverty and they are pissed because they are now curtailed over Christmas because of a virus, there is very little hope.

This. By 2024 people will have forgotten this time. Boris will bung a bit of cash at the north, find a few snappy sound bites and the idiots will vote for them again.

I voted YABU because the Tories could do a Herod and folk would still find a way to justify it.

Any leader would get things wrong with Covid but J’son just isn’t listening to the science until it’s too late.

On Monday Greenwich council was threatened with legal action for closing schools.

On Wed London moved to tier 3 on sat to tier 4. We’ve hit 3 tiers in a 1 week period.

Scientists were screaming that Christmas should be curtailed/cancelled for the past fortnight.

Areas outside London and SE have been screaming how was London tier 2 with higher rates than them?

The new strain seems to have been largely ignored until it was wheeled out to justify this latest position.

All the above points to inconsistency and not listening to science.

Yet people are still saying. ‘It’s fine Labour would have been worse’. Maybe so, but right now how does that help us?

I’d never vote Tory but while I feel her to be cruel and heartless, I wish to god TM was PM right and now because ironically she would have been strong and stable over this.

Um why? The virus has become worse and they've made this decision to try to reduce the effect.

I suppose youd prefer labour like wales have had to deal with. Christmas isnt the only thing in life that's important

No, pretty much every country is facing Christmas being different. It’s not the governments fault people, they and the scientists are acting on what they think is best. Christmas is one day, far better we have a future.

No It will not be the end...Infact I will go so far as to say Boris go down in history as the leader who got the country through the covid pandemic and will be celebrated as such...There have been many mistakes and decisions I am sure in hindsight no one,not even them could agree with but the sheer panic and scale of this is worse than any war we have had to face.No one in living memory has encounted anything on this scale before. I am a life long tory voter and I see faults all over the place some huge problems to come and some right messes that have been made but someone had to do the job and he is...tory or not he is only human and fallable like the rest of us.I wouldnt want to swap jobs with him

I doubt it. I'm seeing a lot of sympathy for Boris and comments about how he is trying his best. It baffles me but people really relate to him and imagine him to be somebody they could be friends with.

It baffles me but people really relate to him and imagine him to be somebody they could be friends with.

Baffles me too, there is something extremely unpleasant about him.

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss

No, pretty much every country is facing Christmas being different. It’s not the governments fault people, they and the scientists are acting on what they think is best. Christmas is one day, far better we have a future.

But the scientists have been saying it for weeks, it's only a couple of days since the PM was deriding the opposition leader for suggesting exactly this action should be taken.

@HermannlovesPauline

I wonder if he wishes Theresa was still in the job

@HermannlovesPauline I do believe this is his karma for that! He set her up to fail, and expected to ride in on a horse as white (yellow) as his hair and fix what the emotional woman couldn’t.

Bet he regrets that now.

I fucking wish but if the windrush scandal, their complicity in the cover up of Hillsboro, their failure to address insituational racism around the era of Stephen Lawrence's murder, taking milk away from primary schools, Thatcher's seeming support of apartheid in SA, outsourcing various things to their cronies knowing full well they aren't fit for purpose, DC sticking his nob in a pigs mouth, austerity, allowing multi-nationals to tax dodge, the joke that was the PIP application and appeal process, everything bojo has ever said, fucking over the miners and every mining town in England and John major spending the 90s banging on about the return to family values whilst simultaneously banging Edwina Currie didn't do it, I doubt this will either!

They crippled an entire section of the country, left millions out of world, created a country wide divide and lived to tell the tale.

I’m sure in a decade people will forget ballsed up this all was and will revert to voting like this never happened.

Also this isn’t about the conservatives ‘spreading it’ this is about their gross mismanagement of a virus which has been allowed to run rampant across the country due a series of failed misgivings and too late decisions. They’re incompetent, have continually ignored scientific advise and have divided a country in half with grossly inconsistent rulings. London and the south have been allowed to continually mix despite their r rate creeping higher whereas places like the north east have been locked down FOR MONTHS.

The economy won’t recover, people have lost their job, their businesses, their homes because our government could not get a handle on this virus soon enough.

They failed; simple as.

It's all very well moaning, but a balance has to be struck between lives, the economy, the spread of the virus, new info from Porton Down etc. If the PM reacts too early, he gets criticised; if too late in some opinions, he gets criticised - what do you want him to do

He has never acted early.
He did not in March, he knew about the new variant in Kent and the increased spread in early December, he gave people in the T4 areas 8 hours notice to move out! and they took it.
Even had a super spreading event called Eat out to help out!! FFS.

There is no balance to be struck, the spread of the virus has to be controlled or we have no health service, other than a Covid one, trying to be all things to all men is the big mistake most western countries have made.

However, it won't be the end of the tory party, its like a football team, people might not like the leader but stick a blue rosette on a dead donkey and people like you will vote for them.

I think not, but we will have very very low voter turnout. People who voted Brexit/Tory for the first time to 'get Brexit done' did so with the hope of change. The hope that we would take back control and be 'great again'. They wanted community services, accessible and good healthcare and education and decent jobs and think they will get it with via Brexit and Boris. I really sincerely hope they do, but unless Boris has an amazing master plan that he has yet to unveil I doubt they will. They are like to get bluster and incompetence and very little meaningful change (it may well get worse). Then voters will lose all hope that politicians can deliver for the likes of them and simply stop voting. Low voter turn out likely means another Boris government not because he'll be wildly popular across the board but because people over 60 vote for him in high numbers and often turn out and vote. Voter apathy and lack of change doesn't play out do much in that age group as many (not all btw) want things to be how they were 'in my day' and don't want change. They are socially conservative...

It won't because who else is there to vote for? Stammer? If he'd been in charge we'd still be in the first lockdown.

Farage is anti lockdown so I imagine he'll gain support from tory voters and labour voters. It's a great time to introduce a new party because people are sick fed up of the current shower.

They stole milk from school kids and that didn't affect them

More recently they tried to take free meals from poor kids and that didn't affect them either

So no I don't agree with you

'The party that stole Christmas' how infantile do you think the voting public are?

Nice try Labour thought bot.

I thought it was the coronavirus that stole Christmas?

Sadly I think YABU. I would love the Conservative party to die a painful death, but the Tories can do all manner of terrible, stupid things and idiots just keep making excuses for them and voting for them anyway. Turkeys voting for Christmas.

It doesn't help that Labour have been a shambles for years now (I'll still vote Labour because they are better than the Tories) and that we have an undemocratic FPTP voting system plus a horrendously biased media.