To think this might be the end of the Tory party?

[HermannlovesPauline]

I’m not a Tory voter but do you think being known as he party “that stole Christmas” is going to finish off the conservatives?

So much faffing and changing of direction - how will anyone trust them again?

Labour isn’t much better

TheRaccoon

What would you have announced then in November then when we had just had another 2 week circuit breaker lockdown. Nothing?
People were buying Christmas trees in November, government had been asked to announce what Christmas would look like.

At least a late u turn means people have most of the food and presents they need. Hopefully the shops will calm down a bit. Tier 4 can grumble about no having anyone over but it’s not a blanket ban for the country is it. Would you prefer that?

I'm never voting Conservative again, nor is my sister. It is their handling of it all, their constant u turns. They have a populace prime minister, who is out of his depth.

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I’m surprised anyone is still toting out the “no one else would be doing any better line” considering it would be very easy to do better than this.^

Who do you think would do it better? Not that I don't agree it could be done better. But there doesn't seem to be anyone that springs to mind across any of the parties right now.

At least a late u turn means people have most of the food and presents they need

the ones who were traveling won't have. They'll need to go out shopping for food. I have no doubt the food shops will be rammed

Not sure but the problem is people only look as far as the end of the nose and whats in it for them .
Hand on heart love labours polices but was a country we struggle to pay for what the tories give us on top of that we will have to monumental debt form cover that will take decades to pay off.
I just don't see how they can fund everything the want to do. The mega rich will just leave the uk . The main reason people avoid tax is because it's not done fairly.

I hope that this means that the public generally trust politicians less from now on. We need to be much more sceptical of the clowns in government, hold them to much higher standards, demand sackings and resignations when they err, instead of demanding highly damaging lockdowns, which the public practically were doing in March. If any election candidates darken my doorstep in years to come, I will be grilling them about if they intend to lock the country down every time there is a bad flu season (I do foresee this possibility, now that the massive precedent of lockdown has been set, and if we don't resist it fiercely, it could become a "new normal" for winter). We must not let lockdowns become a way of life.

I hope so. But I equally wonder about someone who would happily vote for a racist homophobe whose party has systematically demonised the poor and disabled but then draws the line when they cancel Christmas.

Sadly many people don't understand that the media are biased and run by Tory going self serving people so believe what they read. The fact that people in Burnley fell for the propoganda that the Tories give a fuck about them at all means we have no hope.

I suspect Starmer would probably do better than Boris. However it isn't all about one person and Starmer is generally surrounded by extreme left wing ideologists, most of whom are incompetent. A few exceptions of course

He needs to build a team of people that have sufficient intelligence to build credibility as an opposition.

Hope so.

Stealing Christmas would be one of the very few good things that they ever did, but they didn’t because they’ll lose the vote of the people who don’t know why they voted for them.

@Kaliorphic

At least a late u turn means people have most of the food and presents they need

the ones who were traveling won't have. They'll need to go out shopping for food. I have no doubt the food shops will be rammed

Possibly but I doubt people have bought no food. It’s just not what happens. Theres still five days to shop in and frankly in a normal year the supermarkets are rammed dusk to dawn so it’ll be no different.

There’s also the realisation that this time next week it’ll be all over anyway.

I doubt it, it's very sensible to cancel Christmas. They should have done it weeks ago, but surely no-one could argue this isn't the right thing to do?

I know a Tory (one!) She admits they haven't handled it well and is very annoyed, certainly not a fan of Boris, but thinks Labour are far worse. I don't know why, she never gives a straight answer.

I voted Conservative, probably won't anymore after this, they have been the antithesis of Conservative during this, doing everything to save a minority at the expense of the majority. I'll probably just spoil my ballot paper from now on.

I doubt it

Who do you think would do it better? Not that I don't agree it could be done better. But there doesn't seem to be anyone that springs to mind across any of the parties right now.

As far as Leaders go, I don't know, but if you take it down a level, Hancock's Shadow, Jonathan Ashworth, I think would do a better job than Hancock.

There is no doubt in my mind that Starmer is an intelligent man, but to me he's trying too hard to not say anything unpopular (obviously), but it's to his detriment at the moment.

@Sunflowergirl1

I suspect Starmer would probably do better than Boris. However it isn't all about one person and Starmer is generally surrounded by extreme left wing ideologists, most of whom are incompetent. A few exceptions of course

He needs to build a team of people that have sufficient intelligence to build credibility as an opposition.

Also agree with this

I doubt it.

There is no viable opposition sadly.

The economic damage from covid plus Brexit will be huge. The Tories have had a decade of power, they can't blame Labour. They own Brexit having "got it done".

Since Johnson's clear out of non-Brexiter MPs we have little and less intelligence in the Tory party. I think Starmer is building a credible opposition already.

Totally agree about the no viable opposition- I’ve never really felt that any of the parties represent me

I doubt things would have been much different under any other party tbh.

There is plenty that this government has actually stolen - ie billions of £ through dodgy PPE contracts. If they are remembered for stealing anything, it should be that.

@AwaAnBileYerHeid

I doubt things would have been much different under any other party tbh.

I agree. If you look at Europe there’s not much in it. Germany benefits from tax / healthcare differences but these are long term and other response differences.

But overall we are with Italy etc and getting the same results.

As opposed to the party who trashed the economy, created 75,000 excess deaths in a matter of months, paid their mates billions for tests that don't work, apps that could never work, substandard PPE, and hand sanitiser that never materialised? And whose Brexit will trash the economy to hithertoto unimaginable depths and probably break up the Union?@PrincessNutNuts.

Great post - I totally agree - I think in the populist majority what people will remember in years to come will be missing Christmas with their loved ones and how it was “stolen”