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Have I unintentionally made this very awkward ??

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christmasfear · 19/12/2020 17:40

Name changed.

I've been at a new job on and off for the past few months. I'm in my twenties and my colleague (kind of an unofficial supervisor) is in her fifties ish. She knows I don't have anyone to spend Christmas with this year. She invited me to stay with her over Xmas (in a support bubble so all would be safe) and said a lot of things like "I wouldn't say it if I didn't mean it" and eventually after a bit of pushing from my friend (who's busy on Xmas sadly) I sent her an email saying it would be lovely to pop in and see her on Christmas Day. I sent this a few days back.

However, she's not responded to this at all and she's sent multiple subsequent emails to the team so I know she's been online and can read mine. I feel very awkward about the whole thing, as I'm worried she just meant it as a social nicety and doesn't know how to let me down gently. So AIBU to have said yes to it and assumed she wasn't just saying it as an empty idea? I can't imagine anything more awkward than saying something just to be nice and having the other person respond with "yes please!" (or words to that effect). Blush

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OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 27/12/2020 23:01

I think she was really really rude not getting back to you and that you did nothing wrong at all.

IfOnlyOurEyesSawSouls · 27/12/2020 23:08

You haven't done anything wrong @christmasfear .

This woman isn't genuine or worthy of your thoughts.

Just smile when you see . Act confident - even if you don't feel it.

You are the bigger person here and you don't need to feel embarrassedThanks

Djouce · 27/12/2020 23:16

If she’s generally a nice, conscientious person, I would be assuming it’s likely something bad, possibly COVID-related, happened in her household or to a close relative, and she just failed to communicate it to you for some reason, or stress wiped the invitation from her mind?

My eight year old’s former school had a COVID case in his old class just after they broke up for the holiday, and all the children had to isolate till the 28th, so a lot of Christmas plans were abruptly altered at the last minute.

LobotheBotanist · 28/12/2020 08:03

Poor you

Yes you did not get you were complicating things Grin

It’s rude of her not to reply, but in her shoes, I would have felt that you rejected my offer (fine though) AND then made things complicated by coming “after lunch”, as this means her Xmas dinner now has a time scale it must be finished by (irritating, that is not how Christmas works) to welcome you

Also nobidy wants snacks after what is the biggest lunch of the year Grin

So I reckon she was irritated and did not know how to reply, and will feel bad about not replying, so in Jan, maybe you both just pretend it did not happen

DisappearingGirl · 28/12/2020 08:25

OP you sound lovely and I'm surprised people are picking apart your response and making you doubt yourself further (actually I'm not that surprised given this is MN!).

Are people really saying that if they invited someone who would be alone at Christmas then the only acceptable responses would be to attend from dawn till dusk or decline entirely? I think suggesting you pop in after lunch was an entirely reasonable response to her offer, and probably what I would have done.

I strongly think you've done nothing wrong at all and your colleague has been weird and unkind. If it no longer suited her she could have just said "really sorry I'm going to have to take back the invite due to family commitments" or something.

I would just forget about it now and not worry about it. If colleague mentions it I'd just say "ah no problem". I wouldn't trust her much in future tho.

Just to reiterate, I personally think you've done NOTHING wrong!

misskatamari · 28/12/2020 09:25

Good plan. I think it's easy to get sucked into trying to explain yourself on here, when people get the wrong end of the stick, but are adamant they are right. In reality most people dont over analyse every interaction. For whatever reason, your colleague hasn't responded to your email. This could be for many reasons. It is very very unlikely it is because she has take some great offence to a perfectly polite communication. If she has, then that's weird and her issue. Most people, even if they were mildly annoyed at an email, would reply, to avoid the eventual awkwardness that would ensue from not. I mean, who the hell invites a single person for Christmas, reiterates repeatedly that they really DO mean it and want you to come, then ignore you accepting...? It's bizarre! If she'd changed her mind, sending a quick response back would be way easier than dealing with how odd it will be going forward. I think the most likely thing is that she didn't see your email, obviously I could be wrong. The lack of response is just so off tho, and I don't wash with all the "it's your fault" theories about "popping in" etc. Focus on enjoying the rest of your holiday, and I hope things are fine when you go back to work. You sound like a lovely person

misskatamari · 28/12/2020 09:27

And I don't mean that to sound sarky. You do sound genuinely nice and thoughtful and haven't been anything but nice on here, despite some people being not all that kind. You've taken criticism on board and considered others ideas. I hope you can put this out if your mind a bit now

DisappearingGirl · 28/12/2020 09:31

I think it's easy to get sucked into trying to explain yourself on here, when people get the wrong end of the stick, but are adamant they are right. In reality most people dont over analyse every interaction. For whatever reason, your colleague hasn't responded to your email. This could be for many reasons. It is very very unlikely it is because she has take some great offence to a perfectly polite communication. If she has, then that's weird and her issue.

Absolutely this :) Please stop worrying OP!

Descant · 28/12/2020 09:37

@DisappearingGirl

I think it's easy to get sucked into trying to explain yourself on here, when people get the wrong end of the stick, but are adamant they are right. In reality most people dont over analyse every interaction. For whatever reason, your colleague hasn't responded to your email. This could be for many reasons. It is very very unlikely it is because she has take some great offence to a perfectly polite communication. If she has, then that's weird and her issue.

Absolutely this :) Please stop worrying OP!

In fairness, it’s the OP who set the tone for analysing every interaction with all this ‘did she just ask me as a social nicety and I was supposed to refuse?’ stuff. And as a few pps have pointed out, nowhere does the OP say whether she actually wanted to accept the invitation, she was ‘prodded’ by a friend into replying and suggested something apparently different to what she’d been invited for, though with the whole ‘staying over’ thing, it seems perfectly possible she and the inviting colleague were never on the same page anyway...
2020wish · 28/12/2020 09:44

When r u both back to work. Her not responding at all is completely rude

HikeForward · 28/12/2020 09:51

‘She asked you for dinner.So either say yes,or no.You don't counter Which is what you did.’

Why not? Does nobody ever say "I can't do lunch on Tuesday but we could have dinner

I think the poster was referring specifically to Xmas Lunch, not a casual lunch any time of the year. You don’t make alternative suggestions when invited for Xmas Lunch or a big family occasion. It’s like being invited to a wedding breakfast and saying ‘I’d rather pop in before the meal with some gifts and snacks’. It throws people into confusion.

Don’t feel bad about it, just chalk it up to experience and let it slip under the carpet when you go back to work. For all you know your boss had some sort of crisis or illness over Xmas and either had no time to reply or thought she had but hadn’t.

Sandalison · 28/12/2020 10:48

I haven’t rtft sorry, but it seems to me this could have been sorted easier and much less awkwardly if you had sent a measage to cancel. Why do you not want to ‘double email’ ? What is wrong with “double texting”?

misskatamari · 28/12/2020 11:36

@Descant, fair enough, but plenty of people answered thinking that if the OP has checked and double checked that the invite was genuine, then one would assume that it is. If it wasn't a genuine invite then that is poor form from the colleague, and she should have asked in the first place and pressed the invite, specifically saying to OP that she wasn't just doing it to be nice.

And personally I just do not get this "you were difficult, you should have accepted as offered or said no" mentality. The colleague hadn't specified exactly what she was expecting the op to do attendance wise (timings etc). The op emailed to accept the invite and start a conversation about the plans. That seems like normal behaviour to me, and I'm sure if how most people would have replied. The op explained in her email that she was thinking of the colleague and not wanting to encroach on family time, as she knows that is precious this year. How anyone is reading that an jumping to "you were rude and difficult" is honestly beyond me! Whether the op has specifically said on this thread whether she wanted to go or not doesn't seem all that relevant. She accepted the invite in good faith and tried to arrange it. The colleague chose to ignore that. That is poor form on their behalf.

I think it's a very normal response, so feel a bit reluctant to say yes to a Christmas invite with someone you don't know all that well, as you worry you will be encroaching on their family time. Her friend helped encourage her to day yes if she wanted to, which she decided to do.

The colleague is a grown adult. She invited the op for Christmas. If something about this one email accepting, offended her so badly she decided to blank the op and deem her to be unforgivably rude (as some seem to be suggesting), then she's weird and lacking in common sense and social skills herself. Ffs, if it's not convenient, reply saying so. It's not difficult. The other option just leads to mega awkwardness down the road when they go back to work.

As I've said, personally I think the colleague either didn't see it, or something has happened. If not and for whatever reason she did choose to not respond, then she's a bit of a dick.

The op emailed in good faith. She's not done anything wrong or been rude with her intent, and any reasonable person would realise that when they got the email.

I just think the constant unpicking of details is doing the op no favours, she doesn't have to justify herself on here if people are intent on picking her actions apart. It's often the way on MN. Things can't just be common sense, there always has to be some big deeper meaning to a simple interaction, which in the real world just isn't there.

ILovesPeanuts · 28/12/2020 12:06

I don't think you did anything wrong at all OP. Your suggestion was less of an imposition - if you'd responded inviting yourself to sleep over too that would be a faux pas but you tried to make it more casual. That's fine.
At a guess I'd imagine the invite probably was genuine at the time, but that afterwards she mentioned it to her family and either they had a moan - maybe due to Covid or apprehension at not knowing you, or maybe someone else had invited an extra person so it was no longer possible. Instead of dealing with it your colleague stuck her head in the sand.
Only person who's committed a faux pas (and actually behaved really mean) is her. Not you.
Undoubtedly if you ever brought it up she'd pretend your email got lost in cyber space and act aghast. If you don't mention it, she probably will behave as if she knows nothing of an email in the hope you'll think it maybe got lost in cyber space.
Don't over-think this. You did nothing wrong.

christmasfear · 31/12/2020 13:39

Hi everyone, sorry I know this probably isn't very interesting but I wanted to update a little.

Early this morning she sent a team email which essentially said "sorry I was uncontactable via email, I must have been sick", but she's (yet again) ignored and not responded to my original email. I don't know how to feel about that, I think it might have been courteous to send me an email if that was the case, but really I think she's just come up with an excuse.

Anyway, still not trying to get bogged down in it but I wanted to update everyone in case anyone's still invested! Still dreading whenever I end up seeing her in person 😬

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BrokenCircle · 31/12/2020 13:59

I don’t think you need to worry. I bet it never gets mentioned.

ZeldaPrincessOfHyrule · 31/12/2020 14:01

I agree with BrokenCircle, I think that's all you're going to get. I bet she's read your email, realised she's possibly left you in a difficult position and is now trying to style it out. I think she probably feels awkward, so that's the last you'll hear about it.

spoons123 · 31/12/2020 14:39

Thanks for the update.

That's a very wishy-washy e-mail she sent. What does, 'I must have been sick' mean?! Either you're sick or you aren't!

Agree with other posters - she won't mention it again so you don't need to worry. Now you know what kind of person she is, you can keep your relationship polite and distant.

You did nothing wrong. Wishing you better friends and acquaintances in 2021!

christmasfear · 31/12/2020 14:50

Thank you everyone! Yes, she's been a bit off with me (I always go by a nickname and I sign my emails by that name, but she's just started calling me by my full name instead which seems impersonal as she is aware I don't like / use it other than on official documents).

I'll update you if I see her in person but I think you're right, she'll just sweep it under the rug. Not very grown up behaviour (IMO) but here we are.

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notinthiseconomy · 31/12/2020 14:53

Why "must" she have been sick? I don't understand!

Catsneezies · 31/12/2020 15:06

Very odd behaviour. But hold your head high OP, you did nothing wrong.

dotoallasyouwouldbedoneby · 31/12/2020 15:56

Quote OP:'She invited me to stay with her over Xmas (in a support bubble so all would be safe)'
Is she disappointed that you only want to drop in on Xmas Day? You said 'stay' which I take as 'stay overnight'

misskatamari · 31/12/2020 16:00

Can we have a READ THE FULL THREAD klaxon please!!!

That's a lame response, sorry she hasn't at least apologised to you directly. Even if it was completely made up, you'd at least send an email lying wouldn't you, and say you we're poorly and sorry for not getting in touch before, even just to save the obvious awkwardness. There's nowt as strange as folk. I'd just be breezy and polite now, but keep a distance and know you've got the measure of her. Such a shame when people reveal their true colours and they're less than glowing :(

misskatamari · 31/12/2020 16:01

Excuse the bad we're grammar there, were were were!!

dotoallasyouwouldbedoneby · 31/12/2020 16:06

@misskatamari

Can we have a READ THE FULL THREAD klaxon please!!!

That's a lame response, sorry she hasn't at least apologised to you directly. Even if it was completely made up, you'd at least send an email lying wouldn't you, and say you we're poorly and sorry for not getting in touch before, even just to save the obvious awkwardness. There's nowt as strange as folk. I'd just be breezy and polite now, but keep a distance and know you've got the measure of her. Such a shame when people reveal their true colours and they're less than glowing :(

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