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AIBU?

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to send him a copy of her pass-agg card?

303 replies

HubrisPolice · 17/12/2020 15:34

I have received a marvellously nasty Christmas card from my sister-in-law. Absolutely dripping saccharine venom.

Now normally I wouldn't dream of passing shit like this around. I might take a sanity-check with someone close to me whom she'll never meet, but in general I wouldn't show private correspondence around.

I also feel strongly one shouldn't mess with loyalty between husband and wife.

Buuuuuut... she's signed my DB's name to her shit. Shock

DB is usually the one who writes the cards to me, or at the very least they both sign them. There's nothing to show he's even seen this one.

My options are

a) I can ignore and have my DB wondering why people are apparently behaving weirdly.

b) I can speak to her directly – my normal approach, but in my old age I've learned that engaging with batshit just elicits... more batshit.

c) I can send him a copy of the card she has written and to which she has appended both his and her names.

Now it may or not be an actual good move to send him a copy: still pondering that one! But in terms of whether it's ethically permissable:

YABU: it's a private note from her to you, he's not entitled to know the contents and what's more you should be at pains never to play husband off against wife;

YANBU: it's a note with his name at the bottom, he's entitled to know what's being said in his name.

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Onjnmoeiejducwoapy · 17/12/2020 16:38

I think people need (a) exact text (b) backstory and (c) info on who the “babies” are to understand.

DartmoorDoughnut · 17/12/2020 16:41

I’d show him

ArabellaScott · 17/12/2020 16:42

I'd probably contact my bro and ask if everything is okay, then when he asks why say that you had a really odd message in card, then send a pic when he asks.

samyeagar · 17/12/2020 16:43

@teezletangler

Without the context and the actual word for word text, it doesn't really mean anything to the rest of us. It sounds like it could be totally innocuous- (How sad you haven't been able to see as much of your nieces and nephews this year! I hope they will see much more of Auntie OP in 2021). There must be a massive backstory.
Yeah, we'd need the word for word text. A paraphrase is not helpful because it is just reiterating what the OP feels is being said as opposed to what is actually being said.
MzHz · 17/12/2020 16:43

Dammit! I was hoping for some baby clarification!

It certainly seems to be begging for a ‘you ok hun?’

midlifecrash · 17/12/2020 16:43

(guesses) did they ask you to do after school childcare, and you said no because
a) you're working from home
b) vulnerable and don't want to spend a lot of time with school age children

Something like that?

Boring guess I know and will be much more interested if you have taken a dislike to her chihuahuas

SquishSquashSqueeze · 17/12/2020 16:44

Placemarking....

My money is on OP not buying SiL's precious teacup chihuahuas a Christmas present this year.

PrincessNutNutRoast · 17/12/2020 16:44

@ArabellaScott

I'd probably contact my bro and ask if everything is okay, then when he asks why say that you had a really odd message in card, then send a pic when he asks.
If you do decide to fight passive aggression with passive aggression, OP, you owe it to us to post the entire exchange as it happens on here. Come on, it's Christmas and none of us get out much now.
RealisticSketch · 17/12/2020 16:47

I think it depends on their relationship. If he is a victim of coercive control or is dominated by her your sharing could be twisted into a tool to use between you and dB. If she is just being a bitch but their relationship is generally well balanced then share as forewarned is forearmed and it will show him her internal dialogue.

Frouby · 17/12/2020 16:48

I pulled my sil on a similar fb post, was really polite and just said I thought it wasn't in the best taste (was offensive to both my brother and my dm, think useless men made so by pandering mothers). Shit hit the fan, brother sided with sil, I haven't spoken to him for over a year. He was vile to me himself and I won't speak to him ever again unless he comes grovelling on bended knee. Sil is absolutely vile, they already didn't talk to my dsis, everyone else humours her because they want to see dniece and dnephew.

So my advice would be only raise it if you are prepared for your brother to take her side.

Frouby · 17/12/2020 16:51

To add, it was her that went ballistic at me, I just blocked her on fb after her rant thinking maybe she had had a drink or something. Brother phoned me 10 minutes later and told me to unblock her, I declined, he went ballistic and said I couldn't block her because she was allowed to post what she wanted etc. Said she was but so was I, it was offensive to him and dm and even if he didn't care about himself I cared about dm. And my initial post had been something like 'oooof bit harsh lol' and she'd gone on a tirade of abuse about him and dm.

FedUpAtHomeTroels · 17/12/2020 16:54

He should know what she's putting his name to.
Send him a photo of the note and ask, Do you really feel like this about me? Or Really?

WhoWants2Know · 17/12/2020 16:58

Do you not love the babies?

MoonriseKingdom · 17/12/2020 17:00

It really depends on what exactly was written and the context. I do have a relative that any card sent/ not sent with any potential combination of words would be fuel for another few years of feeling hard done by.

AcrossthePond55 · 17/12/2020 17:00

So he might have signed off on it – easier and more important to keep the peace with his wife.

Had this with DH's brother. His wife was a nasty, spoilt piece of work who felt she and their DD had to come first with everyone. She was insanely jealous when DH and I married as I was a 'rival' for MiL's attention, insanely jealous when our two sons were born as they were treated equally to her DD who should have been treated better because she was the only DGD and she was the eldest.

DH and I had as little to do with her as possible. We tried to keep the cousins close but she poisoned that by telling her DD that PiL's 'didn't love her as much anymore'.

DH tried to maintain a relationship with his DB but found it impossible. She would get massively insulted on a whim and also made up lies about things DH supposedly said to her and he'd always take her side. DH tried to explain but I told him that it was a lost cause because his DB had to live with her and was buying peace at any price.

DH and his DB have not spoken since their mum died 23 years ago.

VettiyaIruken · 17/12/2020 17:01

Since his name is on it too, you could call him and say to him look, I'm a bit upset about this card you sent me. Is this really how you feel?

Then you are a sister asking if her brother is upset, not a sister reporting his wife to her brother.

nancybotwinbloom · 17/12/2020 17:10

Op they have these in the card shop by mine. Maybe send this to her.

to send him a copy of her pass-agg card?
DPotter · 17/12/2020 17:14

I always reckon if I'm an equal party to something, it's my story too and if I want to tell it, then I can .

So if someone has written to you and you want to share - share. If they are then offended - they a) should have asked you not to share or b) shouldn't have written something offensive in the first place

SilverBirchWithout · 17/12/2020 17:23

I like to respond to respond to passive-aggressiveness with a bit of patronising concern. It can work well.

‘Bless you dear SIL, hope you are ok? It’s been such a tough year for you hasn’t it? Focus on your babies and you will get through” .

SilverBirchWithout · 17/12/2020 17:24

You could also let DB know by expressing faux-concern for SIL

SunshineCake · 17/12/2020 17:29

@BigBadVoodooHat

YABU to think we’re not all immediately going to demand to know what she’s written!

I suspect 45 pages of ‘what did it say?!’ Was the actual point of this thread.

If the OP returns, they’ll likely decline to reveal the ‘venomous’ content because it’s ‘outing‘.

Wrong on all counts Hmm.
SunshineCake · 17/12/2020 17:32

Respect for apologising. Sorry @BigBadVoodooHat. I've had a terrible thing happen today but shouldn't bring it here.

GwenSpiderverse · 17/12/2020 17:38

I’d send him a screenshot shot with a “what’s this about, DB? Can’t make head nor tail of it.”

GhoulWithADragonTattoo · 17/12/2020 17:39

@mellicauli reply is good. And brings your bother in a gentle way.

HubrisPolice · 17/12/2020 17:39

Oh god, I really didn't want to get into the back story, as it's really the ethics of the "sharing correspondence" I wanted advice on.

I didn't know until recently that I had an antagonistic relationship with SIL!

I've always assumed that if DB rated SIL, she must be a good 'un.

They live far away, are busy people with exciting lives, and I'm disabled and can't easily travel, and try my best not to impose on other people. So I barely know SIL because I don't really see her, and don't usually hear from them from one year's end to the next.

I usually send the children presents, and get thank-you cards from SIL, or an Xmas card in my DB's handwriting, but that's it. Occasionally they've had family news, good or bad, and I've sent cards and emails, and been congratulatory or supportive, but they don't call or initiate contact so I'm not a big part of their lives.

They have a bit of a history of expecting me to run around after them to visit them (in wheelchair with luggage on public transport, with me booking hotels & taxis to break the journey as I can't do it in one), and I've always taken this in good heart and assumed they were just too busy.

They also have a bit of a history of cancelling me at the last minute for a subsequent engagement. Again, though it's hurt, I've taken it on the chin and cheerily made the arrangements for the next time.

Last year they excelled themselves in this area, and at the same time SIL picked a fight out of the blue about nothing (she wanted to "help" pack my baggage: she told me afterwards she needs to feel useful. I had unsuspectingly very politely declined as I need it packed a particular way, but had asked her to do lots of other things I genuinely needed done). She laid into me the next morning about it too.

A lot about the way she did it was extremely familiar, and left me staring at her horrified, thinking "Dear god, DB has married his mother!" (Our not-so-DM is a professional victim of any circumstance ever and can emotionally blackmail for England.)

As DB & SIL live far away – indeed have now moved country – there was no pressing need to deal with this and I just let it all drop. Sent nice email to my brother, etc etc.

But it dawned on me (thank you MN for opening my eyes to this dynamic) that the more I ran round after them, the less they valued it and the more they expected.

I'm really very unwell and have very little useable time each day. I actually need help around the house and can't live fully independently. So I decided I wouldn't be dedicating the tiny bit of time and energy I do have, to running after them.

So I haven't.

Given they so rarely initiate contact with me, I just haven't initiated any with them. So... we haven't emailed for a while. Also the children (who are too young to know or care) didn't get birthday presents.

For anyone saying, "There must be more to it than that, for SIL to lay into you," all I can say is, "Not as far as I know."

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