To think a woman wouldn't be praised for this like a man was

[GlummyMcGlummerson]

Seen this story a few times today about Tom Cruise screaming at crew members on the set of Mission Impossible 7 for not social distancing and threatening to fire them www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/entertainment-arts-55330579

The comments on social media are almost unanimously positive, lots of "good for him" "well done Tom" and "he's gone up in my estimation".

Any time I see something like this I imagine how the reaction would be if it was a story about a woman. If Nicole Kidman had done this I bet my bottom dollar she'd be branded a psycho, hysterical, over emotional, needs to calm down, who does she think she is speaking like that to those poor men etc.

FWIW I think he behaved appallingly if my boss screamed at me at work I'd have something to say about it.

But AIBU to think a woman would have been treated differently for doing the same thing?

Men lead, women nag... thems the rules.

@GlummyMcGlummerson

We live in a sexist society. It's important to be aware of the double standards that oppress us. It's important to be aware of male privilege

I wonder if you see the irony of this comment.
You have based your point on the fact that they are two genders and are accusing others of being sexist.
It would probably be better if you could get two actual examples and show how people are treated differently.
I am sure there are many so I don't understand the need to make stuff up?

[quote Cheeseandwin5]@GlummyMcGlummerson

We live in a sexist society. It's important to be aware of the double standards that oppress us. It's important to be aware of male privilege

I wonder if you see the irony of this comment.
You have based your point on the fact that they are two genders and are accusing others of being sexist.
It would probably be better if you could get two actual examples and show how people are treated differently.
I am sure there are many so I don't understand the need to make stuff up?[/quote]
MN loves a good males are awful and live a great life and those poor women posts. There's been one daily this week.

The point of this post isn't whether Tom Cruise 'shouting' at staff over covid is valid. It's whether women would be given the same reaction.

And yes, I agree with you OP. I think a woman would be expected to 'firmly request' at absolute best, 'politely ask' more realistically. Shouting is not in the slightest 'ladylike' and would encourage comments like 'Karen', 'shrill harpy' or the standard 'bitch'.

@TrialOfStyle

The point of this post isn't whether Tom Cruise 'shouting' at staff over covid is valid. It's whether women would be given the same reaction.

And yes, I agree with you OP. I think a woman would be expected to 'firmly request' at absolute best, 'politely ask' more realistically. Shouting is not in the slightest 'ladylike' and would encourage comments like 'Karen', 'shrill harpy' or the standard 'bitch'.

But you have nothing to base this on. You are literally making it up.

Have the comments about him been universally praising him? Only ones I’ve seen are about it showing how batshit he is.

@PuppyMonkey

Have the comments about him been universally praising him? Only ones I’ve seen are about it showing how batshit he is.

No. But we were missing a daily man bashing thread.

Ha, that's quite funny. In Patel's case there was a report on bullying that was damning enough that our glorious leader tried to suppress it.

Do you think if Cruise was an MP he'd have been on the receiving end of a similar report? Or if Patel was a film star she'd have got away with shouting at people?

Gemma Collins has made a living out of screeching and bawling and shouting and being an all round diva. She is far from shamed.

Oh please so she's never been fat shamed?! And she doesn't scream at people and threaten to fire them

Can you tell me a man who has done this

John McEnroe

Do you think if Cruise was an MP he'd have been on the receiving end of a similar report? Or if Patel was a film star she'd have got away with shouting at people?
Well there have been bullying reports against male MPs, haven't there?

MN loves a good males are awful and live a great life and those poor women posts. There's been one daily this week

Not nearly as many as there are handmaidens ready to shit on their own sex

Hmmm..........he gets away with it because he's Tom Cruise. If any other boss spoke to their colleagues & subordinates like this they'd be under some form of disciplinary.

Megastars get away with whatever they want, rightly or wrongly. He has a lot of power. No-one's gonna fuck with him are they? "Tom, I consider your attitude unprofessional at best and cuntish at worst. I'll be reporting you to HR."

@Wheresmykimchi have a look at how Serena Williams' shouting is reported vs John McEnroe whose actually made a post-tennis career out of his temper. But Williams is absolutely hauled over the coals for being a fraction as aggressive as McEnroe.

Lea Michele was recently criticised for her treatment of staff, rightly so, and was forced to apologise. Many female models have been blasted too because they aren't best buds with their staff. But Tom Cruise shouting and threatening the sack to people amid heroic? Pfft

Yawn at the moaning about "man bashing". The internalised misogyny is so strong with some people. Challenging sexism is not bashing.

@GlummyMcGlummerson

Yawn at the moaning about "man bashing". The internalised misogyny is so strong with some people. Challenging sexism is not bashing.

Here we go again.

You aren't challenging sexism .

You are posting a random event by a man a d encouraging people to guess what would happen if a woman did it.

Vanessa Paradisis is still promoting her film but Johnny's been sacked despite him being convicted of no crime and recorded evidence that she also abused him. I assume that's OK , in MN land.

@Ori3 well I think there has been a turn of the tides in Hollywood over the last few years but there's always gonna be one prick who slips through the cracks and it doesn't surprise me that it's Tom Cruise

[quote GlummyMcGlummerson]@Wheresmykimchi have a look at how Serena Williams' shouting is reported vs John McEnroe whose actually made a post-tennis career out of his temper. But Williams is absolutely hauled over the coals for being a fraction as aggressive as McEnroe.

Lea Michele was recently criticised for her treatment of staff, rightly so, and was forced to apologise. Many female models have been blasted too because they aren't best buds with their staff. But Tom Cruise shouting and threatening the sack to people amid heroic? Pfft[/quote]
lea Michele is nowhere near on the level of To. cruise though is she.

And Serena Williams plays the woman card and you all peddle it , when in reality it's more to do with times having moved on.

@Wheresmykimchi challenging double standards and micro aggressions is 100% fighting against sexism.

And Johnny Depp has been damned by a civil court, he lost his case because the evidence that he is a wife beater was overwhelming. Read the court notes.

Also you don't mean Vanessa Paradis you mean Amber Heard (unless I've missed a new story entirely 🤣)

[quote GlummyMcGlummerson]@Wheresmykimchi challenging double standards and micro aggressions is 100% fighting against sexism.

And Johnny Depp has been damned by a civil court, he lost his case because the evidence that he is a wife beater was overwhelming. Read the court notes.

Also you don't mean Vanessa Paradis you mean Amber Heard (unless I've missed a new story entirely 🤣)[/quote]
Ah my bad.

It's not fighting against sexism.

These threads are sexist towards men and you know it.

And Serena Williams plays the woman card and you all peddle it , when in reality it's more to do with times having moved on.

What's a woman card? Can you explain please? And what advantage has she got from "playing live it?

Times haven't moved on. Aggressive sportsmen are ten a penny.

I will never ever understand why women aren't in their own side.

@GlummyMcGlummerson if you had a female star and a male ster doing the same thing with different treatment , I'd half take your point. But you are making things up to suit an agenda , and it's boring.

GlummyMcGlummerson

But Williams is absolutely hauled over the coals for being a fraction as aggressive as McEnroe.

She threatened people careers hardly "a fraction as aggressive as McEnroe"

@GlummyMcGlummerson

And Serena Williams plays the woman card and you all peddle it , when in reality it's more to do with times having moved on.

What's a woman card? Can you explain please? And what advantage has she got from "playing live it?

Times haven't moved on. Aggressive sportsmen are ten a penny.

I will never ever understand why women aren't in their own side.

Because there are no sides. That's why.

Serena constantly screams about 'you are doing this because I am a WOMAN'. Nothing to do with her breaking the rules.

The advantage that you all stick up for her ridiculous behaviour because it's just so unfair

It's not fighting against sexism.

These threads are sexist towards men and you know it.

Yes, it is fighting against sexism.

Challenging patriarchal standards isn't sexist.

Then again I don't know why I'm taking someone seriously who showed on a previous thread that she thinks women should be sending presents to her ex-husbands family when he can't be arsed to, and that the wife work shouldn't stop at divorce.

[quote Wheresmykimchi]@GlummyMcGlummerson if you had a female star and a male ster doing the same thing with different treatment , I'd half take your point. But you are making things up to suit an agenda , and it's boring.[/quote]
Literally given you the tennis example. How convenient that you didn't think it relevant