To think a woman wouldn't be praised for this like a man was

[GlummyMcGlummerson]

Seen this story a few times today about Tom Cruise screaming at crew members on the set of Mission Impossible 7 for not social distancing and threatening to fire them www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/entertainment-arts-55330579

The comments on social media are almost unanimously positive, lots of "good for him" "well done Tom" and "he's gone up in my estimation".

Any time I see something like this I imagine how the reaction would be if it was a story about a woman. If Nicole Kidman had done this I bet my bottom dollar she'd be branded a psycho, hysterical, over emotional, needs to calm down, who does she think she is speaking like that to those poor men etc.

FWIW I think he behaved appallingly if my boss screamed at me at work I'd have something to say about it.

But AIBU to think a woman would have been treated differently for doing the same thing?

Oh were you under the impression that a rich young woman who doesn't think sex exists is in a better position than normal people to talk about hardships. Ok then

@GlummyMcGlummerson

Oh were you under the impression that a rich young woman who doesn't think sex exists is in a better position than normal people to talk about hardships. Ok then

Do rich young woman not have the same struggles as the rest of us then?

Glummy you are honestly a parody. I used to wonder why people were against feminism because shouldn't everyone in life be a feminist and then i discovered people like you and now fully understand why it gets such a bad rep.

But I worry about someone convincing domestic abuse survivors that all men are bad and terrible
Oh wow you must be a regular at our sessions because that's exactly what I say and FWIW, wether you're a survivor or not, it's people like you saying "but what about the menz" that survivors find most challenging. It's that people believe their ex who says "she's just crazy and a liar" before they believe a woman covered in bruises whos secured a conviction or custody. It's proper like you who are the problem

Glummy you are honestly a parody. I used to wonder why people were against feminism because shouldn't everyone in life be a feminist and then i discovered people like you and now fully understand why it gets such a bad rep

Noooooo, please, random misogynist, pretty please don't not be a feminist, however will I cope

It's about quality over quantity. We don't want people like you thanks.

It makes me think of how Priti Patel was treated for allegedly having a forthright attitude in the workplace

"Forthright attitude." She's a bully, who bullied her colleagues and co-workers. And it wasn't 'alleged' - it was established as being a factual description of what occurred.

@GlummyMcGlummerson

But I worry about someone convincing domestic abuse survivors that all men are bad and terrible Oh wow you must be a regular at our sessions because that's exactly what I say and FWIW, wether you're a survivor or not, it's people like you saying "but what about the menz" that survivors find most challenging. It's that people believe their ex who says "she's just crazy and a liar" before they believe a woman covered in bruises whos secured a conviction or custody. It's proper like you who are the problem

But it's not.

I don't say but what about menz cause I'm not 10.

But having been in that position in that place where you can't have a man raise his voice , touch you, come near you, and the amount of time it takes to trust a man again, I think someone in your ear to remind you that men are never going to back us and we need to back your own , etc etc Etc, does more damage than good.

I would never not believe a woman. Ever.

But what I struggle with is people who truly believe men can't support us, be feminists , and that women can only stand by women. And I mean that genuinely glummy.

@TheWichitaWineOne

It makes me think of how Priti Patel was treated for allegedly having a forthright attitude in the workplace

"Forthright attitude." She's a bully, who bullied her colleagues and co-workers. And it wasn't 'alleged' - it was established as being a factual description of what occurred.

She's a WOC though so on this thread she wil never be held accountable.

@GlummyMcGlummerson

Glummy you are honestly a parody. I used to wonder why people were against feminism because shouldn't everyone in life be a feminist and then i discovered people like you and now fully understand why it gets such a bad rep

Noooooo, please, random misogynist, pretty please don't not be a feminist, however will I cope

It's about quality over quantity. We don't want people like you thanks.

But I am a feminist. Just not your type.

But out of interest , what about my beliefs (and quote them don't make them up - directly relates to me being the problem for domestic abuse survivors?

@Wheresmykimchi I didn't mean it about "yes that's what I say at the sessions". I support, listen. How odd you think I use it as a platform for ranting. Very odd indeed

@GlummyMcGlummerson
In case you're struggling...a misogynist is a person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against women.

You are all of those things against men.

I am ZERO of those things against women (and if you bring up the present thread again to argue this I will actually lose the plot ).

I'm not a misogynist.

[quote GlummyMcGlummerson]@Wheresmykimchi I didn't mean it about "yes that's what I say at the sessions". I support, listen. How odd you think I use it as a platform for ranting. Very odd indeed[/quote]
I get that.

But why don't you tell these women that they must side with their own and air your views about men that you clearly have?

What’s the point of a “what if” comparison? I think most people would defend a woman equally in the circumstances. They were getting a stern and deserved telling off for being dicks. He was probably furious because social distancing isn’t a hard concept but incredibly some people are still struggling with it nearly one year on.

A woman would be called a bully.

@GlummyMcGlummerson

Did you seriously call someone a poo poo head and write about all the menz? Do you know how hard it is to take someone seriously and give credibility to their posts when they use language like that?

And as for the implication that @Wheresmykimchi isn’t “graceful”.....do you get the irony in that? Grace is nearly always applied to women as a description. I’ve giggled at the thought that you think being graceful is a quality one might need to have value..... that you think people who aren’t graceful don’t add much to your life..... you get how that sounds right? Given the feminine connotations and societal desire for women to be graceful?

There are so many real cases of women not being given or demanding equals treatment I don’t see the point of making up some hypothetical.
Yes, arguably he shouldn’t have raised his voice so much, but it’s an emotional point that was being made - not just a movie by propels very lives and livelihoods. People recognized that - hence the support.

Search "Karens in the Wild" on youTube. God of almighty, there are either not enough prescribed drugs, or too many street drugs/alcohol.

Sorry as a woman myself I am mortified by their behaviour.

Men usually hit out physically, women verbally. Usually I said.

How has this thread decended from 'I believe women would be treated negatively in the same situation where a man was applauded when showing aggressive behaviour' to 'any woman who says anything negative about male behaviour is a misandrist'...

@ComDummings
Nah. He was making an emotional point about people’s lives and livelihoods depending on them following simple but vital procedures. The hypothetical victim mentality is holding women back.

@veeeeh

Search "Karens in the Wild" on youTube. God of almighty, there are either not enough prescribed drugs, or too many street drugs/alcohol.

Sorry as a woman myself I am mortified by their behaviour.

Men usually hit out physically, women verbally. Usually I said.

Thats OK though. That's just the women standing up for years of injustice and can speak and behave however if they like while men are held accountable for every move they make .

@BrumBoo

How has this thread decended from 'I believe women would be treated negatively in the same situation where a man was applauded when showing aggressive behaviour' to 'any woman who says anything negative about male behaviour is a misandrist'...

I'm not sure if you're being deliberately goady. I think it's far more likely the thread has become (as the previous others ) any women who dares not to agree that this is yet another example of sexism is a misogynist.

personally I think he's a bully after hearing it.. his sentiment was correct (i.e. to adhere to social distancing and respect that jobs could be lost if they're closed down) but his method was vile... it's not leadership to scream and swear at people and to me shows a lack of control and professionalism regardless of gender. He's a sad old little man with an over inflated ego! Yuck.

[quote Cam77]@ComDummings
Nah. He was making an emotional point about people’s lives and livelihoods depending on them following simple but vital procedures. The hypothetical victim mentality is holding women back.[/quote]
This this this this this.

I don’t think you should swear at people in the work place or shout. I thinking you should communicate in a professional way even if your angry. If someone is in danger I understand shouting then if needed for safety reasons.
I hate feeling intimidated in the work place and being bullied..have experienced this.

Oh... that thing of Tom Cruise, for a moment I thought you were going to talk about single mums and single dads.

But yes, I can imagine a woman being judged hysterical if she dared to do what TC did even if it was fair and justified.

@veeeeh

Search "Karens in the Wild" on youTube. God of almighty, there are either not enough prescribed drugs, or too many street drugs/alcohol.

Sorry as a woman myself I am mortified by their behaviour.

Men usually hit out physically, women verbally. Usually I said.

I'm mortified as a woman by anyone (especially other women) who actively encourages the 'Karen' meme or its ugly, hugely misogynistic sentiments at all.

Funny how your not mortified by centuries of men hitting out verbally and physically. What do you call these men by the way?/