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Was DD overreacting?

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christmascaroller · 16/12/2020 10:40

Last night we (DH, DD15 and I) were watching something with Fairytale of New York in, and DH said "isn't it ridiculous that they can't say f*ggot anymore". DD told him that it was a slur (which I don't disagree with btw) and that he shouldn't say it even in this context. He said that it was perfectly fine for him to say as he wasn't being homophobic. My AIBU is this: when he said that it was fine to say, DD said "just admit that you're a bigotted twat instead of wasting your breath"!! I told DD that this was unacceptable but she stormed out and hasn't spoken to us since.

YABU: her reaction was perfectly justified
YANBU: she shouldn't be using language like that over a word

OP posts:
Beautifulbonnie · 18/12/2020 16:33

But what about the food pork faggots?!?

It’s ok to discuss things within your own home. How can we teach morals if we can’t give examples of how not to behave?

But she called him a name. When all he said was a discussion.

Linning · 18/12/2020 16:54

I think your husband was the most unreasonable of the two, yes her calling him a twat isn’t really acceptable but lamenting the days where you could use slurs that have helped discriminate against a section of the population and made the life of many people much harder, would make me question who I am married to tbh.

My step-dad was always a little homophobic and also would make comments about other subsets of the population (he is black himself) like “The Romanis” as if racially charged commentary is totally okay.

Every time he did I would absolutely call him out on it and tell him how unnacceptable it is. I don’t care how harmless he think he is being or if he feels he isn’t being insulting. And honestly everytime he spoke like I think he is a total wanker (As much as I love him). We are very close and so I visit and stay at his sometimes but he is quite archaic and will make sexist comments (expect me to cook every meal because I am a woman amongst other things) And while I am visiting his house I do still tell him to fuck off, it’s not because I am visiting his house and that he raised me that I have to accept sexist/disablist/racism or discriminatory speeches and comments from him (or anyone), the rest of my (white) family also love to comment on “the Muslims” or “black people”.
It’s unsuferable. And it doesn’t matter how old they are, where those comments are taking place, I grew up hearing this crap (which has a mixed race gay person made it incredibly hard) and regardless of background, kids should be able and encouraged to grow up in an environment where parents don’t need to use slurs or other “non-politically” correct comments about other people just because they used to be able to and think it’s okay because they don’t think they are being racist/homophobic.

It sucks to grow up in an environment where casual racism or casual homophobia and random slurs are seen as appropriate and even defendable. Now if someone say something inappropriate “because it’s their right” then I excerse my right to vocally oppose to them and their views and tell them what I think, regardless of hierarchy. If you think kids deserve a whopping for stating their mind and swear when parents obviously don’t mind using insults those to describe others themselves then you are part of the issue. Ideally people would not need to use slurs or to insult others to drive a point but it looks like OP’s husband probably have an history of feeling a certain way towards “political correctness” and I am sure he is known to make a point to not ever be PC which if you don’t have a dad like that you cannot fully grasp how infuriating it is, especially in a society where people tell you that disagreeing with your parents is you being a brat and you should be able to tolerate this.

I had a teacher in high school who in class showed a picture of kids of different races (it was an ad) and randomly said “and you can see there are two niggers in the back.” Everybody gasped, and the teacher tried to justify herself saying she wasn’t being racist just used to the word and didn’t mean anything by it.

There was outraged and despite her being our teacher we all told her to get educated and learn why the word nigger is not ever okay to use to describe black or mixed-African individuals. It was said in French too which is even more weird because the word Nigger in French was only ever used during slavery, it’s never ever used by black people in their daily life like in the US, never ever used in songs it’s just never been reclaimed by the black community like the word did in the US or like the word queer got reclaimed by the LGBTQ+ community, and since she was in her 30’s there was no way she would have casually learned the word and heard it on a regular basis or ever in a context where it was seen as appropriate and wildly used unless she grew up in a fairly racist and archaic environment. Honestly it could have been seen as teenagers getting angsty about everything but hearing people who look like you referee as under-race black slur is heart-chattering especially by people who have authority over you (teachers/parents).

I don’t think kids should have to put up with hearing insults that might refer to them/their friends/or others and be told not to speak back.

Wheresmykimchi · 18/12/2020 16:56

I think it's all in context isn't it.

My dad is in his sixties and drops some clangers - I challenge him on out and out racism but I don't berate him because he is a good man and he's my father and most of it comes from not being up to date , if you will.

I am as PC as they come but I'm not sure teaching people to ride rough shod over people they should respect and care about is always right either.

Justbrutallyhonest · 18/12/2020 18:39

No respect, horrible teenage daughter, calling her dad this, I’m 52 and wouldn’t dare call my dad an insult and wouldn’t out of respect, what an awful girl

Yourcatisnotsorry · 18/12/2020 20:18

You can tell her that using ‘twat’ as an insult is misogyny!

Pinkyxx · 18/12/2020 20:48

The whole point of educating the younger generations in regards to sexism, gender, sexual preference etc is to develop tolerance. The hope is that, eventually, this will eliminate bigotry in society.

Context is everything, and based on what you've said, your DH wasn't being homophobic. When I grew up whilst that word did refer to homosexuality - it was also used as a general slur with no subtext whatsoever about sexual inclination. If I had a dime for every time I heard my brothers call each other that (and a vast array of other colorful words) over the course of growing up - I'd be a billionaire. For what it is worth, their term of endearment for me was ''fat ass' or 'squirt'' .. did I see it as some slight on my weight or physical appearance ? No! Admittedly I am short, but I am still a size 6 to this day.

If my daughter reacted that way / spoke to me that way, we'd be having a discussion about proportional responses, tolerance to other people's view points & being respectful. This is part and parcel of being a tolerant person and creating a respectful society.

Postmysecret · 18/12/2020 22:04

Some very good points being made! It’s a difficult one, but if she is to make a point she shouldn’t then use offensive language but she’s still learning.

Anyway I always thought it was ‘you’re cheap and you’re haggard’ Blush 😂

amoobaa · 18/12/2020 23:25

I’d be pretty disappointed and embarrassed if I were your daughter and my Dad was saying “it’s ridiculous that they can’t say f*ggot anymore”. Would he say that in front of a gay person?! If it’s not ok to say in front of a gay person then it’s not ok to say it at all.

Good on her for calling him out.

If my Dad was being a twat and I challenged him, he had the intellect and decency to hear me out. He always said you don’t have to respect someone who is behaving badly, just because they’re older than you or in a position of authority...

For your ‘YANBU’ you said “she shouldn't be using language like that over a word”. Are you suggesting f*ggot is just a word?? And therefore she shouldn’t be using bad language in response?? If that’s the case, why are you even remotely bothered that she called her a Dad a bigoted twat? By your logic they’re just a words.

I’m appalled that the majority of people here think that it’s ok for anyone to say, “it’s ridiculous that they can’t say f*ggot anymore”

It’s not ridiculous, it’s a sign that homophobia is now less acceptable.

Thank fuck for people like your daughter. Tell her thank you from me... the world will be a better place because of her outrage.

Let’s hope she wasn’t planning on coming out to you.

TooYoungToNotice · 19/12/2020 09:43

She's being utterly ridiculous and disrespectful. Words have different meaning. Faggot wasn't necessarily a gay slur in the past and neither is it now. Words have different meanings. This kind of behaviour because you disagree with someone is wholly unacceptable.

It is telling that this is the way children are being moulded by society. There is absolutely nothing tolerant in her behaviour. She hasn't thought about this or reasoned it out. She has simply adopted the role of thought police and then flown off the handle when others wouldn't bend to her personal take on what is right.

Not only did she show her desire to 'correct' others pattern of thinking despite her clear lack of grasp of why others are entitled to autonomy she ignored the misogyny in the song and used a misogynistic slur herself. She didn't care bout 'be kind' and tolerance and a better world then did she? Oh no, not when it came to women.

It's a sad reflection of today's youth the we are breeding a generation who genuinely believe hey are absolutely right and have some moral guiding light whilst they trample all over the thoughts and feelings of others.

The right to freedom of speech and the freedom to offend are vital to a normally functioning society. What happened to I don't agree with what you say but I would die for your right say it.

She needs to learn some self control and self discipline. Not everyone is always going to pander to her views.

ancientgran · 19/12/2020 21:56

Couldn't sleep last night and watched a programme about The Fairytale of New York. I think it was on BBC 4, it will be on iplayer and worth watching. Maybe if she watched it, realised how hard they worked, that it took years to get the song written and recorded she might understand why people think the original version is worth listening to.

ancientgran · 19/12/2020 21:57

I’m appalled that the majority of people here think that it’s ok for anyone to say, “it’s ridiculous that they can’t say fggot anymore”* I think it very much depends on if he meant everyone should be able to go round saying it or he meant it's ridiculous that you have to censor the song.

theblackparade · 19/12/2020 22:13

It’s a million times more disrespectful to chortle and reminisce over using slurs than it is to call someone out for their homophobia. It might be “just a word” to some of you, but to a lot of us it is violence.

ancientgran · 19/12/2020 22:30

So do we censor every song, every book? What about some of the current music that has worse but no one seems to notice.

I don't think people should be using abusive words but I don't think music from 20, 30 or 40 years ago should be censored.

Looking through iplayer today and one of the films was The Gay Divorcee, should we ban it? Gay meant something different in the 1930s and I think it was a Fred Astaire film, doubt he had any idea that the meaning of Gay would be different now.

ancientgran · 19/12/2020 22:32

Should we ban Catcher in the Rye because it has the n word in it?

FunTimes2020 · 19/12/2020 23:08

Your DD sounds like a right madam! You need to nip that in the bud, the cheeky mare!

SpudsandGravy · 19/12/2020 23:19

YANBU.

Also, maybe ask her why she didn't get so worked up about the sexism in the words.

DGRossetti · 20/12/2020 11:18

Who remembers "The Commitments" ?

RainingBatsAndFrogs · 20/12/2020 21:23

@DGRossetti

Who remembers "The Commitments" ?
Oh yes... and I remember THAT speech.

I loved that film. And that speech actually recognised the injustice and inequality, so....

user127819 · 20/12/2020 21:43

I agree with her that it's a slur and shouldn't be used generally but saying the word in a discussion about the appropriateness of the word is fine, especially in private. Otherwise it gets very confusing talking about the "f word". She was also very rude to call him bigoted and a twat.

Wheresmykimchi · 20/12/2020 22:35

If I called my father a bigoted twat I wouldn't be able to sit down for a week misses point of thread

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