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Manipulative DM cancels Christmas to throw herself a pity party - help!!

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girasol · 16/12/2020 10:25

Aaaargh, what do I do?
I’m sorry for the length of the below, it's probably not an AIBU as I really don't think I am being unreasonable but anyway...

We had planned to see my parents (mid 70s, both have had major health problems in the past but are basically ok at the moment) at Christmas.
Hubby and I have been very careful throughout the pandemic – no eating in cafes/restaurants, no mixing indoors with anyone, both lucky to be able to work from home. Biggest risk has been from our kids (7 and 5) going to school.

My parents have gone the other way, acting like there is no pandemic, largely ignoring the restrictions (“I’m not having the government tell me what to do!” etc) – they eat out, go to the supermarket, my mum gets her nails done. This has continued even if they went into tier 3 after the lockdown (they live right on a T3/T2 boundary and to be fair to them the rates where they live are actually relatively low).

Back in the summer we booked a outdoor lights trail at a stately home between us for Xmas eve, then about 6 weeks ago we said we’d also be happy for the kids to stay over with them for one night on the basis that the risk of young kids spreading Covid seems to be much lower (albeit there is obviously still a risk) – hubby and I would not stay or be inside with them though. I’ve kept saying to them that they should avoid making concrete plans or getting their hopes up about it as we might not be able to go ahead with the plan – kids might need to isolate etc.

Now with rates escalating everywhere, multiple cases in our kids’ school (for the first time – son’s class has just finished a stint of isolation and at one point last week more than half the school was off), and us now bordering some T3 places I felt increasingly uncomfortable with the idea of letting the kids stay. My parents will hopefully be vaccinated within the next 1-2 months, and the kids won’t have been isolating because they’ll have been at school - it just felt like a risk that’s not worth taking.

I called my parents to tell them that we’re still v happy to go ahead with the lights trail but we’d like to postpone the sleepover bit (for the reasons given above). My mum responded by throwing her toys out of the pram and saying that if that’s how we feel, we should probably cancel the whole thing (ie the lights trail too). I reiterated we were very keen to go ahead with that bit and said we’d be happy to meet them for another day over the Christmas period and go somewhere else outdoors (I suggested a woods we’ve visited which is about halfway between us), so they would still get to spend the time with the kids, but she made it clear she wasn’t interested in this.

The difficulty is she has always been the queen of cutting off her nose to spite her face but it has got much worse in the last few year. She would genuinely rather cancel everything out of spite and spend the next month wallowing in self-pity, even if that means effectively punishing our children who won’t be able to see them at all.

After the initial call, hubby talked me into suggesting that we push back the sleepover until the end of the school holiday (probably new years day) – it would mean breaking the rules (no mixing of households by then, plus we’re not meant to travel to T3, which I wouldn’t be happy about), but obviously the risks would be much lower as we would have largely been isolating as a family for a good 10 days by then.

I called my parents again and spoke to my dad who said my mum was ‘very very upset’ by us postponing the sleepover, and that she now planned to try to arrange a minor surgical procedure on her knee for the day the kids were due to stay over with them (ie the day I’d suggested we now go to the woods) which would likely mean she couldn’t do the lights trail the next day either. We suggested the new year’s sleepover plan – my dad relayed this to my mum, but my mum said “Well they’ll only change their minds again so what’s the point?” and “We might be doing something else then, it’s too far ahead to plan” and “Well, we might give the children Covid, mightn’t we?!” – basically full of excuses. Because now she’s psyched herself up for a nice long pity party, she doesn’t want it to be snatched away from her, right?! Even if we were now willing to back down completely and go ahead with the original sleepover plan (which I am not willing to do), I think she would actually refuse.

I completely get that she is disappointed and upset, but she has zero interest in even trying to understand our point of view in all this which on any analysis is not unreasonable (again, this has become a recurring theme with her – she treats my views on many things with utter contempt).

I don’t know what to do now – the ball is in her court but knowing her I think it’s unlikely she will change her mind having slept on it – she is extremely stubborn and bloody minded. I would just leave her to it if it weren’t for the kids missing out.

Does anyone have any suggestions or any experience of dealing with this kind of behaviour please? Hubby thinks I just need to wait to hear back from her and if she still wants to cancel everything (which is very likely) we just say to her that we’re very disappointed, in particular for the children, and that we will have no choice but to tell them that their grandmother doesn’t want to see them over Christmas. That might be where we end up but I think that would shut the door on any chance of her agreeing to meet at all, so part of me is tempted to panda to her behaviour, objectionable though it is, just to try to salvage something for the kids.

Sorry this has been so long.

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AngelicInnocent · 16/12/2020 10:35

Not sure how to vote.

Yanbu to cancel the plans.

Yabu to consider pandering to her.

Yabu to consider breaking covid restrictions and sending DC at Nee Year.

Yabvu to say to your DC that granny doesn't want to see them. Why not just say they can't see them because of covid risk.

elQuintoConyo · 16/12/2020 10:37

Let her tantrum. Your kids aren't missing out on seeing an adult baby throwing her toys out of the pram. They can see her when it's safe for everyone, when you decide.

State: we can do A, B or C. Take it or leave it. If she leaves it, then yes she's cutting off her nose to spite her face, as you mentioned. It's her face, she has to wear it nose-free.

Tell your Dad to butt out, he's enabling her. Neither respect you or the decisions you are making about your own family - you're an adult, not their little 3yo any more.

A, B or C. Repeat. Shrug off tantrums. Hang up the phone (you've go tot go 'cos there's someone at the door/child fell over/you've got a juicy poo brewing/pasta's boiling over...whatever).

I'm sory you're being manipulated, it's shit isn't it

ukgift2016 · 16/12/2020 10:39

I am with your mum, you sound over precious.

MaskingForIt · 16/12/2020 10:39

Don’t pander to her. And definitely don’t panda to her! 🐼

She wants to have a pity party she can have one. Keep channels of communication open with her and your dad though.

GreenlandTheMovie · 16/12/2020 10:40

You keep changing your mind and seem overly fearful yourself dedoite being low risk. So I don't think it's your MIL thats throwing a pity party here. Be glad to have PIL who have a robust attitude towards life. Being risk averse and fearful is actually connected with lower life expectancy.

My PIL are the same - they don't want to spend their remaining healthy years, cowering away timidly from the world.

CrotchBurn · 16/12/2020 10:41

Why are you messing around with convoluted plans like this when you could just relax and enjoy a low key Christmas?

A light trail? A stately home? Sleepovers? NYE? Can you not just you know cook a roast, open some presents and bypass your mums drama by using covid as the perfect excuse to just hunker down and have your own family xmas?

Laserbird16 · 16/12/2020 10:41

You don't negotiate with terrorists.

Do the lights trail as that sounds lovely and your mum will huff and puff about how hard done she is.

Honestly, you can't fix this as this is her choice. She has chosen to be aggrieved, get on with enjoying yourself.

VinylDetective · 16/12/2020 10:43

Let her stew. Just tell your kids that they can’t see their grandparents because of the risk and leave it there.

Having said that, as someone from her generation, it’s getting pretty tiresome having decisions about our risk taken by our adult children. A lot of us are getting pissed off with being infantilised. Our kids don’t do it and we really appreciate it but some of our friends are heartily sick of it.

liverbird10 · 16/12/2020 10:44

I feel for you. She sounds like a howling pain in the arse.

TreacleHart · 16/12/2020 10:45

Let her get on with it. I also would not be happy for my children staying in a home where the people within it flout the recommendations . Just say ok , we'll do our own thing.

Scottishskifun · 16/12/2020 10:47

Personally if it was me I would reiterate we would love for you to join us, the kids are looking forward to it and seeing you both.
I understand your disappointed about the sleep over but we would never forgive ourselves if the children gave you covid and something happened especially as we are so close to vaccination for you both. If at the end of the holidays then we know they pose no risk to you. I completely understand that this year has been incredibly stressful and tough and it may seem we are changing but the most important thing for me is to make sure that you're both here for many Christmases to come.

It might be easier to send as a text rather then saying on the phone then she can mull it over without arguing back!

merrygoround51 · 16/12/2020 10:48

Your DM and DF are the ones at risk really and they were comfortable with and looking forward to what you arranged. Now you cancelled it and they are hurt and disappointed and I think that’s understandable.

imapotatooo · 16/12/2020 10:49

Let her get on with it. Make your own plans. Tell the DCs they are not coming due to the current rules.

You can factually tell your DM/DGF what your plans are and let them be involved if they want "we are doing the light trail on x day at y time you are welcome to join if you want if not we will see you on z day p/after New Years" or whatever plans you have but leave it open ended on their side. They can choose to join or choose to wallow.
Trying to pander to them is giving your DM what she wants as she can continue to wallow and be so hard done by. Be firm and factual.

Aprilx · 16/12/2020 10:51

I kind of agree with your mother. You are trying to make out she is flouting the rules but nothing you have said suggests that. She is allowed to go to the supermarket, eat out and when the salons reopened she is allowed to get her nails done too. You on the other hand have put yourself under more restrictions than needed, which you are free to do, but that does not mean you can criticise people that choose to live within the rules.

Changing the Christmas plans at the last minute is understandably upsetting for her. She is an adult and they are the ones most at risk, they should be allowed to make their own risk decisions. You sound like hard work.

Sbishka · 16/12/2020 10:52

If she’s always like this...I’d say leave her to stew, then gradually lessen (not cut) engagement with her. You’ll never win.

If she’s not usually like this, find out why she’s so blasé about her own contacts because that might be the key as to why she’s angry with you. A bit of dialogue - maybe she’s not worried about catching it but you’re worried about you or dh getting long covid and not being able to earn? Maybe she doesn’t believe it’s a pandemic, there’s a lot of that about.

Autumnismyseason · 16/12/2020 10:55

I’m with you mum. You are being very controlling. It’s their lives, their choices, their risks to take.

girasol · 16/12/2020 10:57

I get that they are adults and can make their own decisions, but in terms of seeing our kids if they did pass on Covid then a) they're in one of the highest risk categories and b) of course it would affect all of us, kids especially, if they did catch it and become seriously ill (or worse).

I don't think it's infantalising them for us to take this stance because it's about the risk that hubby and I are willing (or not) to take in relation to ourselves and our kids and the impact on us.

I will be the first to admit I'm quite risk averse. Hubby and I have been quite affected by a good friend of ours (same age as us, no underlying health conds) nearly dying during the first wave, plus friends with long covid complications.

My husband's is from mainland Europe and his parents haven't seen our kids for a almost a year - it actually sickens me that my mum is squandering opportunities to see them, including cancelling a plan that was made back in the summer, when the other grandparents have just had to stoically accept it all.

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Beamur · 16/12/2020 11:01

It all sounds very complicated.
Your parents choices are theirs to take. As are yours.
Probably not a good idea to plan very far ahead at the moment, so stop trying to offer future inducements.
Keep it simple. Walk or not? Sleepover postponed until the rules change. Please don't take it out on the kids.

girasol · 16/12/2020 11:01

@Aprilx I've not criticised my parents for their approach (ie I've not been critical to them about it). I don't agree with it but (unlike my mum) I accept that people have different views on things. I gave that information here by way of background only.

And as I've said to them I do understand the hurt and disappointment, but what I can't understand is why my mum would compound the disappointment by refusing to see the children at all.

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girasol · 16/12/2020 11:04

Also @Aprilx, she is flouting the rules - she has been in Tier 3 since the beginning of the month, but is carrying on travelling to T2 to go to nail salon/restaurants etc. But as I say, I've not challenged her about this, even though I disagree with it.

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VinylDetective · 16/12/2020 11:05

Sorry @girasol but everything you say indicates that you don’t respect their right to make their own decisions. They’re not “squandering” their opportunity to see your kids, they’re rejecting the terms you’re unilaterally imposing. You have to own this.

SillyOldMummy · 16/12/2020 11:07

I have zero sympathy for your mum. She needs to grow up and realise that breaking the rules is a choice she can't force on other people.

Hope someone shops her and she gets a massive fine.

changedmynameforChristmas · 16/12/2020 11:09

@ukgift2016

I am with your mum, you sound over precious.
Agree,

I am not into the 'talking about Covid' culture.
It's here for the forseeable. We should act accordingly. All this talk of sleepovers etc leaves me cold.
You need your head wobbling as they say on here.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 16/12/2020 11:10

So... you tied yourself in knots trying to be careful and rather than discuss it your DM has flounced?

Flounce back. Let her make the next move. Just leave it there, hanging...

And then arrange a lovely Christma just for you, DH and the DCs!

RugsEverywhere · 16/12/2020 11:11

You have kids I'm sure you remember how to behave when someone has a tantrum..

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