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Manipulative DM cancels Christmas to throw herself a pity party - help!!

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girasol · 16/12/2020 10:25

Aaaargh, what do I do?
I’m sorry for the length of the below, it's probably not an AIBU as I really don't think I am being unreasonable but anyway...

We had planned to see my parents (mid 70s, both have had major health problems in the past but are basically ok at the moment) at Christmas.
Hubby and I have been very careful throughout the pandemic – no eating in cafes/restaurants, no mixing indoors with anyone, both lucky to be able to work from home. Biggest risk has been from our kids (7 and 5) going to school.

My parents have gone the other way, acting like there is no pandemic, largely ignoring the restrictions (“I’m not having the government tell me what to do!” etc) – they eat out, go to the supermarket, my mum gets her nails done. This has continued even if they went into tier 3 after the lockdown (they live right on a T3/T2 boundary and to be fair to them the rates where they live are actually relatively low).

Back in the summer we booked a outdoor lights trail at a stately home between us for Xmas eve, then about 6 weeks ago we said we’d also be happy for the kids to stay over with them for one night on the basis that the risk of young kids spreading Covid seems to be much lower (albeit there is obviously still a risk) – hubby and I would not stay or be inside with them though. I’ve kept saying to them that they should avoid making concrete plans or getting their hopes up about it as we might not be able to go ahead with the plan – kids might need to isolate etc.

Now with rates escalating everywhere, multiple cases in our kids’ school (for the first time – son’s class has just finished a stint of isolation and at one point last week more than half the school was off), and us now bordering some T3 places I felt increasingly uncomfortable with the idea of letting the kids stay. My parents will hopefully be vaccinated within the next 1-2 months, and the kids won’t have been isolating because they’ll have been at school - it just felt like a risk that’s not worth taking.

I called my parents to tell them that we’re still v happy to go ahead with the lights trail but we’d like to postpone the sleepover bit (for the reasons given above). My mum responded by throwing her toys out of the pram and saying that if that’s how we feel, we should probably cancel the whole thing (ie the lights trail too). I reiterated we were very keen to go ahead with that bit and said we’d be happy to meet them for another day over the Christmas period and go somewhere else outdoors (I suggested a woods we’ve visited which is about halfway between us), so they would still get to spend the time with the kids, but she made it clear she wasn’t interested in this.

The difficulty is she has always been the queen of cutting off her nose to spite her face but it has got much worse in the last few year. She would genuinely rather cancel everything out of spite and spend the next month wallowing in self-pity, even if that means effectively punishing our children who won’t be able to see them at all.

After the initial call, hubby talked me into suggesting that we push back the sleepover until the end of the school holiday (probably new years day) – it would mean breaking the rules (no mixing of households by then, plus we’re not meant to travel to T3, which I wouldn’t be happy about), but obviously the risks would be much lower as we would have largely been isolating as a family for a good 10 days by then.

I called my parents again and spoke to my dad who said my mum was ‘very very upset’ by us postponing the sleepover, and that she now planned to try to arrange a minor surgical procedure on her knee for the day the kids were due to stay over with them (ie the day I’d suggested we now go to the woods) which would likely mean she couldn’t do the lights trail the next day either. We suggested the new year’s sleepover plan – my dad relayed this to my mum, but my mum said “Well they’ll only change their minds again so what’s the point?” and “We might be doing something else then, it’s too far ahead to plan” and “Well, we might give the children Covid, mightn’t we?!” – basically full of excuses. Because now she’s psyched herself up for a nice long pity party, she doesn’t want it to be snatched away from her, right?! Even if we were now willing to back down completely and go ahead with the original sleepover plan (which I am not willing to do), I think she would actually refuse.

I completely get that she is disappointed and upset, but she has zero interest in even trying to understand our point of view in all this which on any analysis is not unreasonable (again, this has become a recurring theme with her – she treats my views on many things with utter contempt).

I don’t know what to do now – the ball is in her court but knowing her I think it’s unlikely she will change her mind having slept on it – she is extremely stubborn and bloody minded. I would just leave her to it if it weren’t for the kids missing out.

Does anyone have any suggestions or any experience of dealing with this kind of behaviour please? Hubby thinks I just need to wait to hear back from her and if she still wants to cancel everything (which is very likely) we just say to her that we’re very disappointed, in particular for the children, and that we will have no choice but to tell them that their grandmother doesn’t want to see them over Christmas. That might be where we end up but I think that would shut the door on any chance of her agreeing to meet at all, so part of me is tempted to panda to her behaviour, objectionable though it is, just to try to salvage something for the kids.

Sorry this has been so long.

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WaxOnFeckOff · 16/12/2020 11:29

It's because you've treated them like infants. They are the ones with the risk and they've decided they'd rather take the risk and see their grandchildren. I think her behaving like a toddler doesn't help but maybe looking at how you are infantising them might help? It's not up to you to decide what they do, however it is up to you what you allow you DC to do - catch 22 really

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 16/12/2020 11:29

@HarrietOh

How do people make the choice 'not to take up an ICU bed?' Would that person's family members seriously tell doctors 'oh no don't worry just let them deteoriate they wanted to break the rules and risk their life anyway?'
Presumably they have an advanced care plan - but I'd be surprised if many people have a sufficiently nuanced one.

There are some people who decline CPR but would want ventilation - there are some who'd decline both of those and other invasive life-saving measures but might accept some non-invasive ones (like NIV or non-invasive ventilation).

This time of year, a bed is a bed. It's not about protecting the NHS, it's about protecting the people who need the NHS (for whatever reason, not just Covid–19).

80sMum · 16/12/2020 11:29

Op, surely, it's up to your parents to decide if they're willing to take the risk of the children coming for a sleepover?

heydoggee · 16/12/2020 11:31

Always curious when OPs worry that their children will miss out if they limit contact with manipulative grandparents.

I wouldn't leave my kids alone with a 70 year old woman that throws tantrums like that.

girasol · 16/12/2020 11:32

@CheltenhamLady, no my parents activities are not all 'allowed' - they have been in T3 since the beginning of the month and are travelling to T2 to go shopping, to restaurants, nail bars etc.

If they did get ill I can absolutely guarantee they would expect the full ICU treatment and everything the NHS can offer them - they have both signed lasting powers of attorney to this effect (before the Covid pandemic). They don't seem to have any interest in the 'protect the NHS' aim. I don't entirely understand where they are coming from but they seem to think the whole pandemic is completely overblown/exaggerated. It's not a case of them saying "We understand there are risks, but we've weighed them up and don't want to be prisoners in our own home' or whatever. They just think they are sticking two fingers up at the government by doing what they like.

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MrsToothyBitch · 16/12/2020 11:32

Let her tantrum. Wash your hands of it and say you'll see her in the new year once she's recuperated and offer a sleep-over for then. (Yes, breaking the rules but safer in terms of days away from school & you could always cite "childcare emergency". Let her make the next move.

Don't cancel the lights- carry on and rejig. Do you know a couple or a parent & child who might like the tickets and could pay you for them so you can buy out your parents? Other than entry together you could go round separately to be safe. Just transfer the money back to your parents and keep up the "recuperate and we will see you in the new year".

HarrietOh · 16/12/2020 11:32

@80sMum

Op, surely, it's up to your parents to decide if they're willing to take the risk of the children coming for a sleepover?
This is what's confusing me. It's not up to the parents to decide if they wish to take the risk of using up NHS resources during this pandemic.
Vivarium · 16/12/2020 11:33

When somebody throws a tantrum like this and cuts off their nose to spite their face, then I would just leave them to it.

She evidently has form for this and she sounds like a nightmare, making everyone's life worse because somebody has dared not to obey her commands.

The PP who mentioned the NHS is right - it's not all about the individual's right to choose their degree of risk. It's also about the people THEY might infect and the impact they could have on the NHS (especially if they're elderly/vulnerable). It's no use just saying "it's their right to take the risk." If it worked like that, there wouldn't be any legal restrictions around lockdowns etc, would there?

TL;DR: she is being a tit and you should ignore her.

girasol · 16/12/2020 11:34

@80sMum as above, it's the risk to my husband, me and our children that I am not willing to take, if our kids did pass on Covid and we had to live with that knowledge.

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Phoenix21 · 16/12/2020 11:34

Ive always found that less is better with dealing with my adult toddler. Giving too much excuses/reasoning adds fire to the flames.

I’m not an arsehole, it’s not a straight ‘no’, but I’ll be damned if I get into a battle of control/appeasement.

It’s up to your parents to make their own decisions but you also have some agency in doing what’s best for you and your family. So I’d accept that she has chosen not to see them but I wouldn’t try to enter a battle ground on that.

The cancelled sleep over is a shame but it can be postphoned. If anyone gets sick (even just a cold) the worry and guilt cannot be reversed.

This is all assuming that it’s a pattern and not a one off tantrum.

Vivarium · 16/12/2020 11:34

heydoggee too right.

GirlCalledJames · 16/12/2020 11:35

Non-vulnerable family members also get to decide which arrangements they are comfortable with, not just the vulnerable ones. My nephews would be old enough to understand very well if they gave their grandparents COVID and my SIL gets to decide to protect them from that whether their grandparents are taking care of themselves or not.

girasol · 16/12/2020 11:36

Thanks @MrsToothyBitch, in fact we paid for everyone's tickets as it was meant to be a Christmas present for my parents Sad. I can live with writing the cost off, I would rather do that and leave the door open to them deciding still to come on the day (I think this is unlikely though my Dad may still come, I don't know.)

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Candyfloss99 · 16/12/2020 11:38

It is their decision whether they want to take the risk though, not yours. You need to think of the toll on mental health as well as COVID risks. There is not much to look forward to at the moment and maybe the sleepover was the only thing keeping them going.

Phoenix21 · 16/12/2020 11:38

[quote girasol]@80sMum as above, it's the risk to my husband, me and our children that I am not willing to take, if our kids did pass on Covid and we had to live with that knowledge.[/quote]
This.

Over summer I last min cancelled a visit to an older relative by mutual agreement.

Thank fuck I did because 2 days later my nursery going toddler has a cold and we spent days panicking that it could be Covid. I and my relative didn’t need the added worry of them being exposed too.

D4rwin · 16/12/2020 11:41

I'd deal with a strip like this as I would with my teen. "I can see your upset about it right now, let's discuss it later" then if she's still being a baby and refuses to discuss it just say you accept her choice. Don't pander to such silly behaviour. Cut off any rants with "we went with your decision" etc.

D4rwin · 16/12/2020 11:41

*strop not strip

houseinthesnow · 16/12/2020 11:43

YANBU to cancel the sleepover and be concerned about the risk to yourself and your children.

YANBU to try and make it safer.

Where you are being unreasonable in my view is making a very big deal about the children 'missing out'. Tell the dc with no drama that you are keeping grandparents safe this year, and can they please draw a picture/make a card for them instead this year. You can do a summer party instead, and take them to the lights trail anyway.

Do not keep adding pressure, everyone is stressed and upset. Dial it down, tell your father you understand everyone is upset and disappointed, but you have to do what you think is safe and right, and leave it there. If she wants a pity party fine, but you don't actually have to listen to it.

AcornAutumn · 16/12/2020 11:43

@VinylDetective

Sorry *@girasol* but everything you say indicates that you don’t respect their right to make their own decisions. They’re not “squandering” their opportunity to see your kids, they’re rejecting the terms you’re unilaterally imposing. You have to own this.
Kind of this

You say there’s backstory so that makes me confused

But I feel her frustration that this hysteria has gone on for so long. I can see it becomes easier for both parties to say “my way or no way” but I’d hope after that it could be amicable and no sulking.

AcornAutumn · 16/12/2020 11:45

OP “ @CheltenhamLady, no my parents activities are not all 'allowed' - they have been in T3 since the beginning of the month and are travelling to T2 to go shopping, to restaurants, nail bars etc.”

My understanding is this is not law. It is guidance. But the law has been amended 250+ times I think, so yes, I’m confused.

girasol · 16/12/2020 11:45

@Candyfloss99 "there's not much to look forward to at the moment" - apart from the lights trail that we've all been planning and looking forward to since the summer (we did it last year with them and all loved it) and which we're still very keen to do? Or the trip to the woods which we suggested? Or the sleepover which we've now suggested take place a week later than originally planned? Confused
As I say, I do understand her disappointment but my sympathy starts to wain when she decides to self impose further disappointment upon further disappointment by not only cancelling the other long-agreed plans, but also refusing to see us at all....

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Echobelly · 16/12/2020 11:46

I have a MIL who sometimes tantrums with 'let's cancel the whole thing' or whatever if it's not what she wants. I take her at her word and if she comes back (maybe via DH) to say what she actually wanted me to do which wasn't cancelling the whole thing I'll be like shrug 'You need to tell me what you want because I will take you at your word'

I wouldn't pander to her.

girasol · 16/12/2020 11:48

PS - and for those who've offered advice - we will not tell our kids that the grandparents are refusing to see theme. If it comes to it we will blame Covid regs or just say we want to wait a bit until it's safer to meet them (hopefully with vaccine coming soon).

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NotSorry · 16/12/2020 11:48

The trouble is everyone thinks they're immune until they get it. We all went for a test as our local authority has asked anyone with senior school age children to do so along with rest of family, even if they have no symptoms. My DH's came back positive even though he has barely been out - that was a shock! He has no symptoms. We are now all isolating until Christmas Eve.

OP you're best not to engage with the crazy - just say "OK mum, we'll see you in the new year (or whenever)"

houseinthesnow · 16/12/2020 11:49

You need to stop making a big deal of seeing her op. You are sounding like the child now. Just let it go, she has made her decision, respect her decision and crack on with making christmas fun for your kids.

You sound as bad as each other.

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