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Manipulative DM cancels Christmas to throw herself a pity party - help!!

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girasol · 16/12/2020 10:25

Aaaargh, what do I do?
I’m sorry for the length of the below, it's probably not an AIBU as I really don't think I am being unreasonable but anyway...

We had planned to see my parents (mid 70s, both have had major health problems in the past but are basically ok at the moment) at Christmas.
Hubby and I have been very careful throughout the pandemic – no eating in cafes/restaurants, no mixing indoors with anyone, both lucky to be able to work from home. Biggest risk has been from our kids (7 and 5) going to school.

My parents have gone the other way, acting like there is no pandemic, largely ignoring the restrictions (“I’m not having the government tell me what to do!” etc) – they eat out, go to the supermarket, my mum gets her nails done. This has continued even if they went into tier 3 after the lockdown (they live right on a T3/T2 boundary and to be fair to them the rates where they live are actually relatively low).

Back in the summer we booked a outdoor lights trail at a stately home between us for Xmas eve, then about 6 weeks ago we said we’d also be happy for the kids to stay over with them for one night on the basis that the risk of young kids spreading Covid seems to be much lower (albeit there is obviously still a risk) – hubby and I would not stay or be inside with them though. I’ve kept saying to them that they should avoid making concrete plans or getting their hopes up about it as we might not be able to go ahead with the plan – kids might need to isolate etc.

Now with rates escalating everywhere, multiple cases in our kids’ school (for the first time – son’s class has just finished a stint of isolation and at one point last week more than half the school was off), and us now bordering some T3 places I felt increasingly uncomfortable with the idea of letting the kids stay. My parents will hopefully be vaccinated within the next 1-2 months, and the kids won’t have been isolating because they’ll have been at school - it just felt like a risk that’s not worth taking.

I called my parents to tell them that we’re still v happy to go ahead with the lights trail but we’d like to postpone the sleepover bit (for the reasons given above). My mum responded by throwing her toys out of the pram and saying that if that’s how we feel, we should probably cancel the whole thing (ie the lights trail too). I reiterated we were very keen to go ahead with that bit and said we’d be happy to meet them for another day over the Christmas period and go somewhere else outdoors (I suggested a woods we’ve visited which is about halfway between us), so they would still get to spend the time with the kids, but she made it clear she wasn’t interested in this.

The difficulty is she has always been the queen of cutting off her nose to spite her face but it has got much worse in the last few year. She would genuinely rather cancel everything out of spite and spend the next month wallowing in self-pity, even if that means effectively punishing our children who won’t be able to see them at all.

After the initial call, hubby talked me into suggesting that we push back the sleepover until the end of the school holiday (probably new years day) – it would mean breaking the rules (no mixing of households by then, plus we’re not meant to travel to T3, which I wouldn’t be happy about), but obviously the risks would be much lower as we would have largely been isolating as a family for a good 10 days by then.

I called my parents again and spoke to my dad who said my mum was ‘very very upset’ by us postponing the sleepover, and that she now planned to try to arrange a minor surgical procedure on her knee for the day the kids were due to stay over with them (ie the day I’d suggested we now go to the woods) which would likely mean she couldn’t do the lights trail the next day either. We suggested the new year’s sleepover plan – my dad relayed this to my mum, but my mum said “Well they’ll only change their minds again so what’s the point?” and “We might be doing something else then, it’s too far ahead to plan” and “Well, we might give the children Covid, mightn’t we?!” – basically full of excuses. Because now she’s psyched herself up for a nice long pity party, she doesn’t want it to be snatched away from her, right?! Even if we were now willing to back down completely and go ahead with the original sleepover plan (which I am not willing to do), I think she would actually refuse.

I completely get that she is disappointed and upset, but she has zero interest in even trying to understand our point of view in all this which on any analysis is not unreasonable (again, this has become a recurring theme with her – she treats my views on many things with utter contempt).

I don’t know what to do now – the ball is in her court but knowing her I think it’s unlikely she will change her mind having slept on it – she is extremely stubborn and bloody minded. I would just leave her to it if it weren’t for the kids missing out.

Does anyone have any suggestions or any experience of dealing with this kind of behaviour please? Hubby thinks I just need to wait to hear back from her and if she still wants to cancel everything (which is very likely) we just say to her that we’re very disappointed, in particular for the children, and that we will have no choice but to tell them that their grandmother doesn’t want to see them over Christmas. That might be where we end up but I think that would shut the door on any chance of her agreeing to meet at all, so part of me is tempted to panda to her behaviour, objectionable though it is, just to try to salvage something for the kids.

Sorry this has been so long.

OP posts:
Phoenix21 · 16/12/2020 11:11

I don’t fully understand the options you’ve given them but I think the core issue is:

Tickets for lights and a sleep over.
You’ve cancelled sleep over due to risk
Mum pissed.

In this situation my position would be ‘we are not comfortable with kids staying over, we will still go to lights it up to you if you come or not, once things are better Covid wise we can plan a sleep over then’.

If mum refuses to see children at another point my response would be ‘ok then’.

And I’d just tell the kids that due to Covid plans have changed.

At these times we need to do what works for us and accept others may need to make other decisions. In this case I’d be loathe to send my kids as IF anyone got ill I’d struggle with the guilt and wouldn’t want my kids feeling guilty that they have passed something on.

I wouldn’t even bother explain all that to my mum, but my position would be static.

Yohoheaveho · 16/12/2020 11:13

Don't negotiate with terrorists, just ignore her, what's she gonna do... stop your pocket money?

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 16/12/2020 11:13

She's refusing because she wants her own way. Do not try and accommodate her, because nothing will be enough and it will be resented anyway.

So you may as well do what's right for you and your family and whatever makes you feel comfortable as the wrath and retribution will be the same.

bridgetreilly · 16/12/2020 11:14

Don't pander to her. You have to parent your children, you do not have to parent your parents. You've told her what the options are, and now it's up to her to decide what she wants to do with them. If she refuses to see you at all, that's on her.

NikeDeLaSwoosh · 16/12/2020 11:14

@ukgift2016

I am with your mum, you sound over precious.
This.

Honestly, what a fuss. They are adults who can make their own risk assessment.

How patronising of you, surely you must be able to see how badly you’ve handled this? It’s really not on for you to foist your own anxiety onto others.

Such a shame for your DC to miss out.

Nancydrawn · 16/12/2020 11:15

You're right and your mother is being ridiculous.

girasol · 16/12/2020 11:15

but @VinylDetective I'm not "imposing terms" - the lights trail was something we all planned and agreed many months ago and nothing about that plan has changed Confused.

I respect her right to make her own decisions insofar as they affect only her, but that is not the case here.

OP posts:
HarrietOh · 16/12/2020 11:15

YANBU.

Also when people in this age group decide it's 'their own risk' to take - well it's not about them, it's about the NHS. Yes they might not care about getting the virus but they could end up taking up hospital beds if they do.

NikeDeLaSwoosh · 16/12/2020 11:15

@bridgetreilly

Don't pander to her. You have to parent your children, you do not have to parent your parents. You've told her what the options are, and now it's up to her to decide what she wants to do with them. If she refuses to see you at all, that's on her.
It’s precisely because she’s attempted to parent her own parents that this situation has arisen.
NikeDeLaSwoosh · 16/12/2020 11:16

@HarrietOh

YANBU.

Also when people in this age group decide it's 'their own risk' to take - well it's not about them, it's about the NHS. Yes they might not care about getting the virus but they could end up taking up hospital beds if they do.

A lot of people have already made the choice not to take up an icu bed. It’s not a given.
OoohTheStatsDontLie · 16/12/2020 11:17

There isnt much you can do here. I'm the same, I dont think we will see my parents indoors, yes they get to decide on their health but we also get to decide what we are comfortable with and I'd never forgive myself if we passed anything to them as we have school age children.

It sounds like she likes the drama, and the more you apologise and try and bend over backwards to accommodate her strops, the more she will feel justified in her actions. If she is willing to not see her own grandkids at all over xmas just due to a sleepover being cancelled then she doesnt deserve to see them and they dont need someone who thinks so little of them compared to her own self righteousness.

Call her bluff every time. I'd say it's up to you, we are still happy to do the light trail but if you dont want to see the grandkids there can you let us know by x as we've bought the tickets so can ask someone else. And make out like it's no big deal at all. Don't engage any further, dont phone to apologise etc, everyone is trying to navigate this situation as best they can and everyone has to do what they feel comfortable with. You're only following government advice which seems now to be just because you can meet doesnt mean you should if you havent been self isolating.
If you back down now on the sleep over it will only get worse in future.

GrumblyMumblyisnotJumbly · 16/12/2020 11:18

Your Mum sounds hard work! Of course it's disappointing but you are looking out for their wellbeing. Hopefully your Dad can talk her round that meeting outside is the best option for you all to see each other in a nice setting.

Santaisironingwrappingpaper · 16/12/2020 11:19

Personally I would spell out to her every rule she has broken... If she doesn't go that's down to her. She would be the one risking your dc getting Covid not the other way round. Not sure i would risk my dc for such a moany bag...

Butterymuffin · 16/12/2020 11:19

@Phoenix21

I don’t fully understand the options you’ve given them but I think the core issue is:

Tickets for lights and a sleep over.
You’ve cancelled sleep over due to risk
Mum pissed.

In this situation my position would be ‘we are not comfortable with kids staying over, we will still go to lights it up to you if you come or not, once things are better Covid wise we can plan a sleep over then’.

If mum refuses to see children at another point my response would be ‘ok then’.

And I’d just tell the kids that due to Covid plans have changed.

At these times we need to do what works for us and accept others may need to make other decisions. In this case I’d be loathe to send my kids as IF anyone got ill I’d struggle with the guilt and wouldn’t want my kids feeling guilty that they have passed something on.

I wouldn’t even bother explain all that to my mum, but my position would be static.

This.
SilverBirchWithout · 16/12/2020 11:21

@Scottishskifun

Personally if it was me I would reiterate we would love for you to join us, the kids are looking forward to it and seeing you both. I understand your disappointed about the sleep over but we would never forgive ourselves if the children gave you covid and something happened especially as we are so close to vaccination for you both. If at the end of the holidays then we know they pose no risk to you. I completely understand that this year has been incredibly stressful and tough and it may seem we are changing but the most important thing for me is to make sure that you're both here for many Christmases to come.

It might be easier to send as a text rather then saying on the phone then she can mull it over without arguing back!

I totally agree with this.

Your mother is hurt and disappointed. You need to rise above her response I’m afraid - for the sake of you and your DC longer term relationship.
Different people are assessing their response and personal risks with Covid in vastly different ways. The situation we are all in is rubbish, stressful, and nearly impossible to understand or manage. Christmas plans are difficult at the best of times, highlighting tensions in family dynamics.

Elfieishere · 16/12/2020 11:23

You sound OTT. Just let them sleep up.

CheltenhamLady · 16/12/2020 11:23

@Aprilx

I kind of agree with your mother. You are trying to make out she is flouting the rules but nothing you have said suggests that. She is allowed to go to the supermarket, eat out and when the salons reopened she is allowed to get her nails done too. You on the other hand have put yourself under more restrictions than needed, which you are free to do, but that does not mean you can criticise people that choose to live within the rules.

Changing the Christmas plans at the last minute is understandably upsetting for her. She is an adult and they are the ones most at risk, they should be allowed to make their own risk decisions. You sound like hard work.

I agree with the above OP. Your parents are the ones taking any minimal risks, not your DC. All of the activities you mention are allowed.

I don't understand why you have shifted the goalposts.

Santaisironingwrappingpaper · 16/12/2020 11:24

My dm once flounced.... Didn't see /speak to her for 10 years.
Was bloody brilliant...

*not suggesting it op but it is appropriate for some people...

HarrietOh · 16/12/2020 11:25

How do people make the choice 'not to take up an ICU bed?' Would that person's family members seriously tell doctors 'oh no don't worry just let them deteoriate they wanted to break the rules and risk their life anyway?'

girasol · 16/12/2020 11:26

Thanks to those of you giving practical tips on how to handle (and also to those of you who disagree with my stance, it's always interesting to hear other views) - some good advice which I will definitely follow.
(still cringing about the panda though Blush)

OP posts:
Nowaynl · 16/12/2020 11:27

Let her tantrum away. Go see the lights and have fun. We’re also going to a Christmas trail at a local stately home this weekend, wondering whether it’s the same one Smile.

GrumblyMumblyisnotJumbly · 16/12/2020 11:27

@NikeDeLaSwoosh Such a shame for your DC to miss out.

That's the grandparents doing not OPs. The OP still wants the DC to see their grandparents in a safer environment of the light trail on Christmas eve (which sounds lovely - the children will be all excited) it's the Grandmothers choice to miss that!

The OP has not 'handled this badly' she has come up with the safest solutions in a changing situation to allow grandparents and grandchildren to mix. Do you really think children attending school with current covid cases present no risk of passing it on to their grandparents next week?

TwinkleFairyLight · 16/12/2020 11:27

I'd just reiterate that the lights would be a lovely activity to safely do and the sleepover just is not a good idea. It would be heartbreaking to pass something on. Even if your parents are willing to take their own risks as such as grown adults, if the unthinkable happened then it would devastate and impact all the family for years to come, not just themselves. And how would your DC feel in years to come if they had innocently passed on the virus? With with a vaccine hopefully not too far away it seems pointless to risk it.

I would reiterate that you understand the disappointment but you and the DCs would very much like it if they would join you as originally planned on the lights walk, it will be fun and enjoyable and you and the DCs really want to see them. Then I'd leave it at that, see what she says.

ChaToilLeam · 16/12/2020 11:27

Let her stew. Her behavior is childish and shouldn’t be pandered to.

Sbishka · 16/12/2020 11:28

Heard yesterday, someone we know, parents were really relaxed and wanted to see their grandchildren. So they did, and the granny caught covid and died.

Son is distraught as he facilitated it. He has to live with that now. (Kids too young to add it all up, thankfully.)

It’s never just about the people who say they wouldn’t take up an icu bed: what a lot of drama that statement is.

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