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Manipulative DM cancels Christmas to throw herself a pity party - help!!

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girasol · 16/12/2020 10:25

Aaaargh, what do I do?
I’m sorry for the length of the below, it's probably not an AIBU as I really don't think I am being unreasonable but anyway...

We had planned to see my parents (mid 70s, both have had major health problems in the past but are basically ok at the moment) at Christmas.
Hubby and I have been very careful throughout the pandemic – no eating in cafes/restaurants, no mixing indoors with anyone, both lucky to be able to work from home. Biggest risk has been from our kids (7 and 5) going to school.

My parents have gone the other way, acting like there is no pandemic, largely ignoring the restrictions (“I’m not having the government tell me what to do!” etc) – they eat out, go to the supermarket, my mum gets her nails done. This has continued even if they went into tier 3 after the lockdown (they live right on a T3/T2 boundary and to be fair to them the rates where they live are actually relatively low).

Back in the summer we booked a outdoor lights trail at a stately home between us for Xmas eve, then about 6 weeks ago we said we’d also be happy for the kids to stay over with them for one night on the basis that the risk of young kids spreading Covid seems to be much lower (albeit there is obviously still a risk) – hubby and I would not stay or be inside with them though. I’ve kept saying to them that they should avoid making concrete plans or getting their hopes up about it as we might not be able to go ahead with the plan – kids might need to isolate etc.

Now with rates escalating everywhere, multiple cases in our kids’ school (for the first time – son’s class has just finished a stint of isolation and at one point last week more than half the school was off), and us now bordering some T3 places I felt increasingly uncomfortable with the idea of letting the kids stay. My parents will hopefully be vaccinated within the next 1-2 months, and the kids won’t have been isolating because they’ll have been at school - it just felt like a risk that’s not worth taking.

I called my parents to tell them that we’re still v happy to go ahead with the lights trail but we’d like to postpone the sleepover bit (for the reasons given above). My mum responded by throwing her toys out of the pram and saying that if that’s how we feel, we should probably cancel the whole thing (ie the lights trail too). I reiterated we were very keen to go ahead with that bit and said we’d be happy to meet them for another day over the Christmas period and go somewhere else outdoors (I suggested a woods we’ve visited which is about halfway between us), so they would still get to spend the time with the kids, but she made it clear she wasn’t interested in this.

The difficulty is she has always been the queen of cutting off her nose to spite her face but it has got much worse in the last few year. She would genuinely rather cancel everything out of spite and spend the next month wallowing in self-pity, even if that means effectively punishing our children who won’t be able to see them at all.

After the initial call, hubby talked me into suggesting that we push back the sleepover until the end of the school holiday (probably new years day) – it would mean breaking the rules (no mixing of households by then, plus we’re not meant to travel to T3, which I wouldn’t be happy about), but obviously the risks would be much lower as we would have largely been isolating as a family for a good 10 days by then.

I called my parents again and spoke to my dad who said my mum was ‘very very upset’ by us postponing the sleepover, and that she now planned to try to arrange a minor surgical procedure on her knee for the day the kids were due to stay over with them (ie the day I’d suggested we now go to the woods) which would likely mean she couldn’t do the lights trail the next day either. We suggested the new year’s sleepover plan – my dad relayed this to my mum, but my mum said “Well they’ll only change their minds again so what’s the point?” and “We might be doing something else then, it’s too far ahead to plan” and “Well, we might give the children Covid, mightn’t we?!” – basically full of excuses. Because now she’s psyched herself up for a nice long pity party, she doesn’t want it to be snatched away from her, right?! Even if we were now willing to back down completely and go ahead with the original sleepover plan (which I am not willing to do), I think she would actually refuse.

I completely get that she is disappointed and upset, but she has zero interest in even trying to understand our point of view in all this which on any analysis is not unreasonable (again, this has become a recurring theme with her – she treats my views on many things with utter contempt).

I don’t know what to do now – the ball is in her court but knowing her I think it’s unlikely she will change her mind having slept on it – she is extremely stubborn and bloody minded. I would just leave her to it if it weren’t for the kids missing out.

Does anyone have any suggestions or any experience of dealing with this kind of behaviour please? Hubby thinks I just need to wait to hear back from her and if she still wants to cancel everything (which is very likely) we just say to her that we’re very disappointed, in particular for the children, and that we will have no choice but to tell them that their grandmother doesn’t want to see them over Christmas. That might be where we end up but I think that would shut the door on any chance of her agreeing to meet at all, so part of me is tempted to panda to her behaviour, objectionable though it is, just to try to salvage something for the kids.

Sorry this has been so long.

OP posts:
unmarkedbythat · 16/12/2020 12:19

Let her sulk and do what you think is best for your household.

Hopeisnotastrategy · 16/12/2020 12:20

@AngelicInnocent

Not sure how to vote.

Yanbu to cancel the plans.

Yabu to consider pandering to her.

Yabu to consider breaking covid restrictions and sending DC at Nee Year.

Yabvu to say to your DC that granny doesn't want to see them. Why not just say they can't see them because of covid risk.

This.
Rosti1981 · 16/12/2020 12:24

I think you sound v reasonable and your husband's stance re next steps is the right one.
Finding it quite interesting that there's a significant number of people who disagree though and think you're being OTT ... Really shows how divisive covid has been.

I don't think you're infantilising your parents fwiw. Also the covid situation and perceptions of risk/what people feel comfortable with are changing constantly (never mind the actual law and guidance!) and so I think it's a really tricky situation that you are trying hard to handle.

In terms of her saying no to the lights now, that IS flouncing. If you have the tickets I'd just say this is what we are going to do, we'd really like you to join us and to see you, the sleepover doesn't feel wise at the moment which is why we've separated that out - but please join us if you can. Then just leave it there and if she sulks she sulks.

diddl · 16/12/2020 12:28

"we are not comfortable with kids staying over, we will still go to lights it up to you if you come or not"

Yup.

She can still see the kids if she wants to.

It doesn't have to be all or nothing!

louisejxxx · 16/12/2020 12:28

YANBU - yes they have a right to live their lives as they wish, but as your children are involved in the situation you have every right to cancel the sleepover if you aren’t comfortable.

I find myself in a sort of-similar situation at the minute as my Gran is 91 and 4 hours away on her own...we’ve seen her once in July, and had been debating whether to go and fetch her to bring her down for Xmas (not enough room for us all to go there and stay, and all hotels closed). We’ve ultimately decided not to because she must be weeks away from a vaccine, and the kids will have been at school days before. I don’t think I’d ever be able to forgive myself if anything happened to her when she’s so close to getting protection from the virus.

TragedyHands · 16/12/2020 12:29

the risk of young kids spreading Covid seems to be much lower

YAB ridiculous for this comment alone.

Ihatefish · 16/12/2020 12:32

Well you let relationship with your mum is clearly not good anyway. You make it sound like your parents have been throwing COVID parties yet it sounds like they haven’t broken any rules -you are the one suggesting this.

You seem to be using your kids as a weapon here which is wrong. Whatever the background you need to sort this out, I think COVID here is a red herring

ginginchinchin · 16/12/2020 12:33

A socially distanced walk is galaxies away from a sleepover where you get to hug your grandchildren again. Let's hope this isn't the last Christmas your parents are here OP - something else that not many people who are risk averse on older relatives behalf seem to be taking into account.

CheesyWeez · 16/12/2020 12:36

@Viviennemary

I hate it when people arrange things then want it all changed. If you were so paranoid you shouldn't have booked it in the first place. No wonder they're annoyed.
It was booked in the summer though. Since then, cases have spiked and importantly, the children have cases in their school. In the summer we thought it would all be over by now.

The OP has not changed her mind, it is the circumstances that have changed. The walk is still possible anyway as it's outdoors but sleepovers are risky in view of the school-contact risk and the grand parents' risky behaviour. It won't be illegal... but it won't be sensible and its the OP's choice as to the risk she puts her children to.

I'm sorry you're going through this OP. I am dreading telling my mum we might not see her over Christmas. There is COVID in my son's class and we are waiting for the result of a test he took yesterday, If positive it's obviously all off for Christmas... but she won't like it... who would? But it's not my fault. Yesterday my mum was cross with ME because she thought I had been vaccinated against COVID ahead of her ( I was talking about the flu vaccine, not COVID). I think our older relatives have gone bonkers from staying home too much and thinking they have lost a year out of their remaining time.

Your mum is frustrated with the pandemic situation rather than with you. Don't take any guilt on to yourself, it is after all the fault of the virus. You have been very accommodating. Just say you will be at the walk and hope to see them there, and will bring the kids for a sleepover when the school-contact danger is over (after Christmas).

Life is pants at the moment. Normal service will be resumed at... Easter, maybe. Enjoy a lovely roast at home with just your DH and kids.

Billben · 16/12/2020 12:36

My colleague’s DM died this morning of Covid (her DSis died in April from Covid, her DB recovered thankfully). MIL’s good friend died yesterday from Covid.

OP, don’t pander to your DM’s childish behaviour. She got away with it for so long because people around her put up with it.

bluebeck · 16/12/2020 12:36

I think you should take a huge step back from this and leave her to stew.

I definitely wouldn't pander to her - and there is no way anyone can make concrete plans about anything right now. Just leave her be and set about making your own plans for a nice Christmas without her tedious drama.

unmarkedbythat · 16/12/2020 12:36

You make it sound like your parents have been throwing COVID parties yet it sounds like they haven’t broken any rules -you are the one suggesting this.

People can keep to the rules yet still engage in behaviours which others perceive as unacceptably risky. Take the upcoming Christmas relaxation of restrictions. For, what, 5 days it will be within the 'rules' to do thing currently forbidden on the grounds or risk, and which will immediately after that period again be forbidden on the grounds of risk. All the people I know intending to household mix for Christmas will be acting within the rules- I still don't agree that they are sufficiently minimising risk. You can think something is wrong even if current rules allow it.

cookiecuttercreamandbutter · 16/12/2020 12:37

She's a narcissist, isn't she.

What can you do.

Don't engage.

merrygoround51 · 16/12/2020 12:38

Covid is really stirring up so much resentment in families. I think once it’s all done we are all going to have to draw a line under it and say ‘well what a crazy time, let’s start again’

HamishDent · 16/12/2020 12:39

YANBU.

Yes, it is their decision if they want to take the risk or not, but it’s OP and her family who would have the live with the guilt if they did become ill or worse. I won’t be seeing my father who is 81 over Christmas, although I do know he’s lucky not to be in a care home or alone. Perhaps I might feel differently if he was, but I would rather wait until it’s safer.

cookiecuttercreamandbutter · 16/12/2020 12:40

My grandparents have done the same, they have continued to live how they see fit. It is not up to me to tell my grandparents who are 50 years older than me and have risk assessed their whole lives, what they can and can't do.

She hasn't passed comment to them about what they do. She's just decided she doesn't want her children potentially exposing someone vulnerable as she doesn't want them to bear that burden if things go wrong. She's well within her rights to decide who her children expose themselves to.

conspicuouslyinconspicuous · 16/12/2020 12:40

Jeez, your mum sounds like my mum.

Always the martyr and if she can't have her own way exactly, then screw everyone else. Always finding ways to cut her nose off to spite her face.

There is zero compromise. It is exhausting.

A lot of people don't have mothers/parents like this so don't understand what it is like to live with. The sheer frustration that is an almost daily occurrence.

YANBU to feel the way you feel.

I've learnt over the years to ignore the ridiculous behaviour, do what makes you happy. Your mum will feel the way she feels regardless of your actions.

Ideally, don't flout the Covid rules either.

VinylDetective · 16/12/2020 12:42

@cookiecuttercreamandbutter

She's a narcissist, isn't she.

What can you do.

Don't engage.

Of course she isn’t a narcissist. She’s a bitterly disappointed grandma who resents her adult child assessing her risk and unilaterally making decisions on her behalf instead of having an adult discussion with her and reaching mutual agreement.
PlanDeRaccordement · 16/12/2020 12:43

YANBU to cancel the sleepover due to Covid, but neither is your DM being unreasonable to cancel the lights walk too. Honestly, if it is now high risk, it is high risk and best not to mix at all. It seems you have a double standard, you can cancel due to Covid risk, but she cannot? And keep in mind, with her age group she has more than quadruple the risk of dying than you do. That will affect her perception of risk. And honestly, going to supermarket, or Covid safe salon for nails is much lower risk than spending hours in close proximity to school age children.
YABU to say to your children that their grandmother doesn’t “want” to see them. That would be very manipulative if you to do. It would be the same as your DM telling her grandchildren that their mother doesn’t “want” them to have a sleepover.

PerveenMistry · 16/12/2020 12:43

@CrotchBurn

Why are you messing around with convoluted plans like this when you could just relax and enjoy a low key Christmas?

A light trail? A stately home? Sleepovers? NYE? Can you not just you know cook a roast, open some presents and bypass your mums drama by using covid as the perfect excuse to just hunker down and have your own family xmas?

Exactly this. Stop gyrating. Stay home. None of this is necessary.

Have a family party after your parents are vaccinated. Job done.

PerveenMistry · 16/12/2020 12:45

@merrygoround51

Your DM and DF are the ones at risk really and they were comfortable with and looking forward to what you arranged. Now you cancelled it and they are hurt and disappointed and I think that’s understandable.

If the elders have been out and about then mixing with them is a big risk to OP and her family. And yet more contact can expand community spread. It's about more than the individual, during a pandemic.

81Byerley · 16/12/2020 12:47

@ginginchinchin that's the sort of thing I hate to hear. I have children and grandchildren whom I absolutely adore. I'd love to see them, but I accept that I can't. And if by chance, the last time I saw them was the last (It was December 2019) then fine, I had a happy time with them then. I definitely wouldn't want to risk anybody's health , including my own, just so I could see them one last time. I definitely wouldn't want my family to feel guilty because I'd died and they they hadn't been to see me.

Fairyliz · 16/12/2020 12:48

I hate it when people say I couldn’t live with myself if I gave them COVID.
If they are going out as much as you say how on earth would you know where they caught it from?
Let them make decisions about their own life’s and stop treating them like children.

gospelsinger · 16/12/2020 12:50

Go to the light trail and enjoy it. let her know that you are still going. Tell her she is welcome to join you if she changes her mind.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 16/12/2020 12:52

[quote girasol]@EmbarrassingAdmissions my dad has an advance care plan, my mum has a letter of wishes which (unlike the former) is not legally binding. But both make clear they expect to be given all possible medical treatment in all scenarios, and they don't want treatment withholding or being withdrawn - right the other end of the spectrum from a DNR. I was a bit surprised TBH but they were both very firm about this.[/quote]
This is fascinating. Is there no scenario in which your parents consider the possibility that (for whatever reason) there might be no beds available for them because hospitals are completely full? Whatever their wishes might be?

There was a ghastly night last week when there literally wasn't a single available ventilated bed in Wales. The ICU staff must have been on the last shred of their nerves hoping there wouldn't need to be another admission.

I didn't place much credence on the whole of that piece in the last Sunday Times but there have been hospitals where it's been very difficult to meet all of the clinical needs over the past few weeks. It feels very odd to compromising other people's care in the short term if it's avoidable.

However, Timandra Harkness posted a thought-provoking piece arguing that it's not the citizens' duty to protect the NHS but more the duty of the NHS to serve us. She's apprehensive that there'll be a mission creep and we'll start dividing people into the 'deserving' and 'undeserving' ill.

unherd.com/2020/12/what-would-you-sacrifice-for-the-nhs/

In the short-term, as I said above, I think we're protecting the people who need the NHS over the next few months and bearing in mind the current staff shortages (unfilled post), scarcity of ICU staff, and levels of staff illness. In the longer term, we need some serious conversations about what we expect from health and social care and expect to fund.