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Manipulative DM cancels Christmas to throw herself a pity party - help!!

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girasol · 16/12/2020 10:25

Aaaargh, what do I do?
I’m sorry for the length of the below, it's probably not an AIBU as I really don't think I am being unreasonable but anyway...

We had planned to see my parents (mid 70s, both have had major health problems in the past but are basically ok at the moment) at Christmas.
Hubby and I have been very careful throughout the pandemic – no eating in cafes/restaurants, no mixing indoors with anyone, both lucky to be able to work from home. Biggest risk has been from our kids (7 and 5) going to school.

My parents have gone the other way, acting like there is no pandemic, largely ignoring the restrictions (“I’m not having the government tell me what to do!” etc) – they eat out, go to the supermarket, my mum gets her nails done. This has continued even if they went into tier 3 after the lockdown (they live right on a T3/T2 boundary and to be fair to them the rates where they live are actually relatively low).

Back in the summer we booked a outdoor lights trail at a stately home between us for Xmas eve, then about 6 weeks ago we said we’d also be happy for the kids to stay over with them for one night on the basis that the risk of young kids spreading Covid seems to be much lower (albeit there is obviously still a risk) – hubby and I would not stay or be inside with them though. I’ve kept saying to them that they should avoid making concrete plans or getting their hopes up about it as we might not be able to go ahead with the plan – kids might need to isolate etc.

Now with rates escalating everywhere, multiple cases in our kids’ school (for the first time – son’s class has just finished a stint of isolation and at one point last week more than half the school was off), and us now bordering some T3 places I felt increasingly uncomfortable with the idea of letting the kids stay. My parents will hopefully be vaccinated within the next 1-2 months, and the kids won’t have been isolating because they’ll have been at school - it just felt like a risk that’s not worth taking.

I called my parents to tell them that we’re still v happy to go ahead with the lights trail but we’d like to postpone the sleepover bit (for the reasons given above). My mum responded by throwing her toys out of the pram and saying that if that’s how we feel, we should probably cancel the whole thing (ie the lights trail too). I reiterated we were very keen to go ahead with that bit and said we’d be happy to meet them for another day over the Christmas period and go somewhere else outdoors (I suggested a woods we’ve visited which is about halfway between us), so they would still get to spend the time with the kids, but she made it clear she wasn’t interested in this.

The difficulty is she has always been the queen of cutting off her nose to spite her face but it has got much worse in the last few year. She would genuinely rather cancel everything out of spite and spend the next month wallowing in self-pity, even if that means effectively punishing our children who won’t be able to see them at all.

After the initial call, hubby talked me into suggesting that we push back the sleepover until the end of the school holiday (probably new years day) – it would mean breaking the rules (no mixing of households by then, plus we’re not meant to travel to T3, which I wouldn’t be happy about), but obviously the risks would be much lower as we would have largely been isolating as a family for a good 10 days by then.

I called my parents again and spoke to my dad who said my mum was ‘very very upset’ by us postponing the sleepover, and that she now planned to try to arrange a minor surgical procedure on her knee for the day the kids were due to stay over with them (ie the day I’d suggested we now go to the woods) which would likely mean she couldn’t do the lights trail the next day either. We suggested the new year’s sleepover plan – my dad relayed this to my mum, but my mum said “Well they’ll only change their minds again so what’s the point?” and “We might be doing something else then, it’s too far ahead to plan” and “Well, we might give the children Covid, mightn’t we?!” – basically full of excuses. Because now she’s psyched herself up for a nice long pity party, she doesn’t want it to be snatched away from her, right?! Even if we were now willing to back down completely and go ahead with the original sleepover plan (which I am not willing to do), I think she would actually refuse.

I completely get that she is disappointed and upset, but she has zero interest in even trying to understand our point of view in all this which on any analysis is not unreasonable (again, this has become a recurring theme with her – she treats my views on many things with utter contempt).

I don’t know what to do now – the ball is in her court but knowing her I think it’s unlikely she will change her mind having slept on it – she is extremely stubborn and bloody minded. I would just leave her to it if it weren’t for the kids missing out.

Does anyone have any suggestions or any experience of dealing with this kind of behaviour please? Hubby thinks I just need to wait to hear back from her and if she still wants to cancel everything (which is very likely) we just say to her that we’re very disappointed, in particular for the children, and that we will have no choice but to tell them that their grandmother doesn’t want to see them over Christmas. That might be where we end up but I think that would shut the door on any chance of her agreeing to meet at all, so part of me is tempted to panda to her behaviour, objectionable though it is, just to try to salvage something for the kids.

Sorry this has been so long.

OP posts:
AcornAutumn · 16/12/2020 11:49

[quote girasol]@Candyfloss99 "there's not much to look forward to at the moment" - apart from the lights trail that we've all been planning and looking forward to since the summer (we did it last year with them and all loved it) and which we're still very keen to do? Or the trip to the woods which we suggested? Or the sleepover which we've now suggested take place a week later than originally planned? Confused
As I say, I do understand her disappointment but my sympathy starts to wain when she decides to self impose further disappointment upon further disappointment by not only cancelling the other long-agreed plans, but also refusing to see us at all....[/quote]
I can see this point too.

I guess a lot depends on the history.

GrumblyMumblyisnotJumbly · 16/12/2020 11:51

@Candyfloss99

It is their decision whether they want to take the risk though, not yours. You need to think of the toll on mental health as well as COVID risks. There is not much to look forward to at the moment and maybe the sleepover was the only thing keeping them going.
Really @Candyfloss99 because seeing their excited grandchildren on Christmas Eve at a beautifully decorated light trail event is such an awful substitution and won't feel festive?

I understand it's disappointing (as most of this year has been) but it's not like they haven't got the option to see their grandchildren in person on Christmas eve which lots of people won't get to do at all.

Barmyfarmy · 16/12/2020 11:52

See if you can invite 2 people (I'm assuming it's your DM and DF, sorry if not) to the light trail who actually want to spend time with you and your DC and have an ounce of respect for you. Don't break the rules, don't pander to your ridiculous mother. Even if you do go ahead with plans with your mum, she's likely going to be a PITA anyway and your kids don't need that at Christmas

girasol · 16/12/2020 11:55

@EmbarrassingAdmissions my dad has an advance care plan, my mum has a letter of wishes which (unlike the former) is not legally binding. But both make clear they expect to be given all possible medical treatment in all scenarios, and they don't want treatment withholding or being withdrawn - right the other end of the spectrum from a DNR. I was a bit surprised TBH but they were both very firm about this.

OP posts:
Nottherealslimshady · 16/12/2020 11:55

Tell them you're still going on the lights trail so they can come if they want. But if they dont want to see the kids then that's their choice.

Dont pander, dont bend, it's their choice what they do, but that choice comes with consequences.

Mawi · 16/12/2020 11:56

We have pressure on us to let DC visit grandparents. We have told them it won't be happening. We are not letting our DC live with the guilt of making their GPs sick. Simple as that. They have the choice to not follow the rules or guidelines or think it is all hyped up etc but we have the choice to protect our DC and their mental health. How do people think DCs mental health would cope with infecting their GPs?

Belladonna12 · 16/12/2020 11:57

I think your DM is being ridiculously childish. If you don't want to risk your children infecting them, she should respect that and not cut off their nose to spite her face. Lots of grandparents aren't seeing their children or grandchildren this Christmas . I would just stick to your guns and let her stew.

Nottherealslimshady · 16/12/2020 11:59

You have every right to say "we're not going to see you because we dont want to watch you die a long horrible death or look after you if you get long term damage." That bits your decision. They can go get their hair and nails done, but they cant force you to see them.

nosswith · 16/12/2020 12:02

My suggestion- don't visit until they have both had the Covid vaccine. Indoors or outside.

Wales34 · 16/12/2020 12:02

Seems like all you want to do is protect them . Don't understand where she is coming from really

Nancydrawn · 16/12/2020 12:05

OP, I've posted this skit before, but it's one of my favorites from Saturday Night Live in recent months: the Christmas Conversation (about mothers and daughters and telling your parents you can't come home for Christmas). I think it might be cathartic.

Camenon · 16/12/2020 12:08

I'm fed up with some old people

Viviennemary · 16/12/2020 12:08

I hate it when people arrange things then want it all changed. If you were so paranoid you shouldn't have booked it in the first place. No wonder they're annoyed.

ilovemydogandMrObama · 16/12/2020 12:09

Stepping aside from the government advice, which changes regularly anyway, it seems to me that the risk is mostly theirs, and if the visit of having the grandchildren over outweighs the potential of transmitting Covid, then that's their choice.

If however you aren't comfortable with your children staying there because you want to be careful, then you need to say that you want to follow government advice so you and the family aren't sick.

Either way, think your DM reacted so badly as her feelings were hurt

VettiyaIruken · 16/12/2020 12:10

Don't reward her tantrum. She doesn't want to see you all 🤷‍♀️ her choice. It would be a mistake to try to plead with her.

Pipandmum · 16/12/2020 12:10

She's a grown woman. Let her make her own plans and you do yours. However, telling the kids that their grandmother just doesn't want to see them is mean and not true. She does want to see them, albeit on her terms. So I'd tell the kids that it is special circumstances at the monent and you are not sure if they can see their grandparents, but you are trying to arrange something. Meanwhile keep communicating, maybe with your dad if he can be more reasonable, and hopefully the light walk will be back on.

CheltenhamLady · 16/12/2020 12:12

[quote girasol]@CheltenhamLady, no my parents activities are not all 'allowed' - they have been in T3 since the beginning of the month and are travelling to T2 to go shopping, to restaurants, nail bars etc.

If they did get ill I can absolutely guarantee they would expect the full ICU treatment and everything the NHS can offer them - they have both signed lasting powers of attorney to this effect (before the Covid pandemic). They don't seem to have any interest in the 'protect the NHS' aim. I don't entirely understand where they are coming from but they seem to think the whole pandemic is completely overblown/exaggerated. It's not a case of them saying "We understand there are risks, but we've weighed them up and don't want to be prisoners in our own home' or whatever. They just think they are sticking two fingers up at the government by doing what they like.[/quote]
Even in T3 shopping and nail bars are permitted activities. In T2 restaurants the covid rules are very strict so I doubt they would have been at much risk there.

Travelling to a T2 area is also permitted but advised against, so again, they have not been breaking any laws.

ImPrincessAurora · 16/12/2020 12:13

Let her strop. Let her have her pity party. Do what you feel comfortable with.

friendlycat · 16/12/2020 12:14

The hysteria that some people are experiencing is just frankly ludicrous. I really would let your Mum just stew and have her own trantrums. You are being sensible, she is not. She is a grown adult who really shouldn't be behaving in this ridiculous manner.

Let her just cut her nose off to spite her face. You are right here. Just keep reminding yourself of this. Sadly some people just can't help themselves.

Chloemol · 16/12/2020 12:14

It’s your mums choice to act like this. Leave her to it, but don’t tell the kids grandma doesn’t want to see them. Just say plans have changed and now we are doing x y z. If they question just say she is having an operation, they don’t need to know the history

garlictwist · 16/12/2020 12:14

Your mum sounds a bit dramatic but you also seem quite precious.

And I think it's unfair of you to say they've "acted like there's no pandemic" by eating out and getting their nails done - both perfectly legal, legitimate activities.

They are the ones more at risk health-wise and if they're happy to have the kids then I think you should take their lead.

VinylDetective · 16/12/2020 12:16

@bridgetreilly

Don't pander to her. You have to parent your children, you do not have to parent your parents. You've told her what the options are, and now it's up to her to decide what she wants to do with them. If she refuses to see you at all, that's on her.
But that’s exactly what she’s doing - trying to parent her parents!
cherryblossomx3 · 16/12/2020 12:17

I think yabu. Surely it is up to them to assess their risk? As they are adults and have continued to live their lives how they have wanted to and I can't honestly say I blame them.

My grandparents have done the same, they have continued to live how they see fit. It is not up to me to tell my grandparents who are 50 years older than me and have risk assessed their whole lives, what they can and can't do.

MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously · 16/12/2020 12:17

You are just trying to protect everyone. Let the silly mare sulk.
It's shameful behaviour to pass up seeing her grandchildren who love and miss her, just because she isn't getting everything she wants, when she wants it. Especially when you consider that their other grandparents don't have the option to see them. I couldn't be doing with that.

81Byerley · 16/12/2020 12:19

@ukgift2016 , @girasol doesn't sound precious to me, she sounds sensible. We are in the middle of a pandemic. This is a life threatening disease with no rhyme or reason as to who could be badly affected.... think about Kate Garroway's husband.
OP, just let your mum get on with her little sulk. If she and your dad have been disregarding the dangers, I'd stay well away anyway.