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To think this is unacceptable?

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flaviaritt · 14/12/2020 08:07

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9048759/Family-kicked-United-flight-New-Jersey-toddler-refused-wear-mask.html

This family were forced to leave a flight home because their two year old wouldn’t ‘comply’ with mask-wearing.

She’s 2.

Has the world gone mad? Surely it’s common sense that a young child should not be forced into a mask? Surely it’s a violation of the rights of the child to insist upon this?

OP posts:
Caterina99 · 14/12/2020 16:06

I live in Illinois. Masks are required for over 2 year olds in any public place. My 3 and 5 year olds wear them for nursery and school. And now we also wear them to the playground outside.

Do I like it? No. Does my 3 year old sometimes make a fuss about it? Yes! Would I take her on a plane where she was required to wear it or we’d get kicked off? Hell no! And to be honest she’d probably be fine as she’s used to wearing one anyway.

Our shops have announcements that say masks are mandated. Don’t want to wear one? Use our online shopping service.

TheSunIsStillShining · 14/12/2020 16:10

Exposing kids to germs before they can willingly consent is a violation of their rights, really. They should be kept under sanitised lock and key until old enough to decide on that for themselves.

Thanks, I needed a smile :)

onlythepianoplayer · 14/12/2020 16:17

OP are you still banging on about this shit? It is not a violation of a childs human rights to put a mask on them anymore than it is to put shoes on them, and you fucking know it, so whatever your actual agenda is here why not just fucking say so?

Bollss · 14/12/2020 16:28

@slashlover

in that case we best make a list because we have got a lot of things to ban!! Its very unfortunate, but people die every day. Sometimes they are younger than we would like them to be. But to make out like healthy 25yos are dropping dead left right and centre, isn't accurate. Its scaremongering.

The thing, the options aren't "perfectly healthy or dead". People end up in hospital but aren't included in the death statistics, there are several people on here who post about having long covid but they wont be in any of the statistics published.

Why are they not recording long covid? of course they are.

I know the options are not healthy or dead, i was responding to someone claiming that healthy 25yos were regularly dropping dead of covid, which they are not.

GlowingOrb · 14/12/2020 16:32

Unless they were traveling to obtain medical care for the 2 year old, they didn’t need to be on a plane in the first place . No, I don’t think we should expect a 2 year old to comply with a mask for long periods of time, but this is on the parents for putting the child in the position in the first place.

goopsoup · 14/12/2020 17:05

That's crazy, they should sue.

slashlover · 14/12/2020 17:08

@Viviennemary

What about injections. Do they violate a toddler's rights. And prescribed medications.
Apparently it's ok if it's for their own health, but not for other people.
slashlover · 14/12/2020 17:11

@goopsoup

That's crazy, they should sue.

For what? The airline stated that all passengers over the age of 2 should wear a mask. By buying a ticket , the passengers agreed to those terms and conditions. If you cannot agree to the terms then book with another airline.

loulouljh · 14/12/2020 17:12

I bet there will be loads of class actions in due course in the US where all these poor kids being forced into masks have various long term respiratory complaints...only a matter of time.

SleepingStandingUp · 14/12/2020 17:20

@loulouljh

I bet there will be loads of class actions in due course in the US where all these poor kids being forced into masks have various long term respiratory complaints...only a matter of time.
It's so hard to tell on this thread whether someone is being serious or not
onlythepianoplayer · 14/12/2020 17:20

bet there will be loads of class actions in due course in the US where all these poor kids being forced into masks have various long term respiratory complaints...only a matter of time

If theyre so stupid to think that masks cause respiratory complaints, they''ll waste a lot of money before the get thrown out of court, and good enough for them.

Can't believe people are still spouting such illogical bullshit

goopsoup · 14/12/2020 17:52

For what? The airline stated that all passengers over the age of 2 should wear a mask. By buying a ticket , the passengers agreed to those terms and conditions. If you cannot agree to the terms then book with another airline.

They shouldn't have sold a ticket to a 2yo then! The airline is at fault.

slashlover · 14/12/2020 18:05

@goopsoup

For what? The airline stated that all passengers over the age of 2 should wear a mask. By buying a ticket , the passengers agreed to those terms and conditions. If you cannot agree to the terms then book with another airline.

They shouldn't have sold a ticket to a 2yo then! The airline is at fault.

Maybe, just maybe they assumed that the parents would know if the child could wear a mask?
onlythepianoplayer · 14/12/2020 18:05

They shouldn't have sold a ticket to a 2yo then! The airline is at fault

Oh ffs.

SleepingStandingUp · 14/12/2020 18:06

@goopsoup

For what? The airline stated that all passengers over the age of 2 should wear a mask. By buying a ticket , the passengers agreed to those terms and conditions. If you cannot agree to the terms then book with another airline.

They shouldn't have sold a ticket to a 2yo then! The airline is at fault.

Why not? Some 2 yos will wear them. Only the parent knows so it's the parents choice.
Wheresmykimchi · 14/12/2020 18:11

@goopsoup

For what? The airline stated that all passengers over the age of 2 should wear a mask. By buying a ticket , the passengers agreed to those terms and conditions. If you cannot agree to the terms then book with another airline.

They shouldn't have sold a ticket to a 2yo then! The airline is at fault.

No it isn't. The airline assumed the parents could read and agreed with the policy.

The airline would be at fault if they said no two year olds can fly then sold a ticket.

Wheresmykimchi · 14/12/2020 18:13

@TrustTheGeneGenie

Ah well then. As long as it only happened once that's OK

in that case we best make a list because we have got a lot of things to ban!! Its very unfortunate, but people die every day. Sometimes they are younger than we would like them to be. But to make out like healthy 25yos are dropping dead left right and centre, isn't accurate. Its scaremongering.

wearing a mask could save someone's life . The decision made by that parent and flavias logic is that's fine as long as the poor wean doesn't have to wear a mask.

Id quite like to be able to let my toddler drive cause he likes driving things. Oops we've killed someone. Ah well.

Same idea.

ancientgran · 14/12/2020 18:14

They shouldn't have sold a ticket to a 2yo then! The airline is at fault. I'm sure they didn't sell the ticket to the 2 yo, they did sell it for a 2 year old but I'm sure they thought the adults could read.

Wheresmykimchi · 14/12/2020 18:29

@loulouljh

I bet there will be loads of class actions in due course in the US where all these poor kids being forced into masks have various long term respiratory complaints...only a matter of time.
Long term respiratory . Ok dokie. Maybe the people with long term respiratory or lost loved ones due to selfish thoughtless people like OP who want their cake and to eat it should bring their own actions.
Wheresmykimchi · 14/12/2020 18:31

@TrustTheGeneGenie

Its amazing how you can teach a 2 yo to use the bathroom

and if you knew anything about 2yos you'd know a fair few of them are not even close to being potty trained. Its completely unnatural to a child of that age to wear something over their face, in fact many two year olds refuse coats, hats, gloves - what makes you think you can gently encourage one to wear a mask? or are you some kind of superparent? you ought to start writing a blog because most parents cant reasonably gently encourage two year olds to do many things they dont want to do.

If your toddler hasn't learned how to wear and mask and refuses , I'm afraid as a parent that means you should have calculated that risk and if it comes to that, you ain't flying. I don't take my dog and throw him in the river and then stand there wringing my hands saying oh he can't swim , why do they have rivers here when my dog will jump in Shock
Wheresmykimchi · 14/12/2020 18:33

Re PP, there is a difference between parents who believed in good faith their child would wear a mask and they kicked off , and being upset about that , and posters like OP who expect to pay for a ticket knowing they have to wear a mask , knowing they won't and then being offended because making them wear it would be child abuse. Worlds of difference.

LoveMyKidsAndCats · 14/12/2020 18:37

I think it's too young to wear a mask but it is the policy they have. So I wouldn't put a child who does not like masks in that position.

Bollss · 14/12/2020 18:41

if your toddler hasn't learned how to wear and mask and refuses , I'm afraid as a parent that means you should have calculated that risk and if it comes to that, you ain't flying.

Lol as if a toddler can learn to wear a mask reliably. They kick off about things they were happy about 5 minutes ago all the time. No, I personally wouldn't be flying however it's a fucking stupid ruke got the airline to have, children have really suffered and their needs have been completely overlooked again and again.

I don't take my dog and throw him in the river and then stand there wringing my hands saying oh he can't swim , why do they have rivers here when my dog will jump in shock what a fucking stupid and offensive comparison.

dexterslockedintheshedagain · 14/12/2020 18:42

You can't get a child that age to wear a hat half the time, let alone a mask! Utterly ridiculous.

Wheresmykimchi · 14/12/2020 18:52

@TrustTheGeneGenie

if your toddler hasn't learned how to wear and mask and refuses , I'm afraid as a parent that means you should have calculated that risk and if it comes to that, you ain't flying.

Lol as if a toddler can learn to wear a mask reliably. They kick off about things they were happy about 5 minutes ago all the time. No, I personally wouldn't be flying however it's a fucking stupid ruke got the airline to have, children have really suffered and their needs have been completely overlooked again and again.

I don't take my dog and throw him in the river and then stand there wringing my hands saying oh he can't swim , why do they have rivers here when my dog will jump in shock what a fucking stupid and offensive comparison.

It's true though.

I don't have a child so I wouldn't be flippant about that. But I allow for situations that I can't control.

Oh because it wasn't offensive to suggest that it people get covid as a result of the choice a parent makes , oh well then? People die every day was the phrase I think.

I agree that children have suffered - but with all this focus on babies you are forgetting the pains that school aged children are going through daily. 15 plus have to wear masks , all the time. Is that OK? Or do we save the hand wringing for the babies?

The question wasn't whether it's a stupid rule. It was whether or not it is unreasonable to mask a child.

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