To think that there must be very few people who voted to leave the EU and thought we’d be in this position now

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No deal deadline is tomorrow and Johnson is now spinning that as the best jolly jape ever

That’s a far cry from his referendum and subsequent promises of getting the best deal ever

Are there many leavers who actually wanted and thought we’d end up with no deal?

I'm always listening to brexitteers - I understand from brexitteers on this thread that they knew the leave campaign was full of shit, they knew it would be no deal, (which will decimate some financially) and they are very pleased about that.

After all why would a "good" person (remainer) enter into a dialogue with a "bad" person (leaver)? "Good" can never allow "evil" to have a voice.

I'm speaking generally, you could just as easily reverse that and exchange the remainers and leavers positions. I thought that was clear, but never mind

Most people who voted leave had decided that before the campaign. It was undecideds who were swayed either way.

Yeah I suppose, it was only the undecideds were conned by the blatant lying of the leave campaign.
What a victory, eh.

I worked for one of the Brexit Groups so had a chance to meet some of the politicians involved on both sides. A very dispiriting experience!

Who would have thought that the worst political decision would be followed by the worst Prime Minister since 1900.
Teresa May, a Remainer tried to act as if the referendum decision, was merely the start of a debate. She sacked nearly all the competent negotiators.
Then we had the worst, that is least effective Leader of the Opposition ever.
On the credit side, the value of British businesses is very close to an All Time High. Interest Rates are Low. Houses have held their value.
Sterling is higher than before the Referendum.
No, I sure didn't think it would still be unfinished after 4 years.
It says more about the failure of the political classes than about the merits of one side or another.

HmmSureJan, I was pointing out that it isn’t the Leavers who’ve lost their voice.

Well, I agree, an orderly, well organised exit would have been ...a thing. But that's not what we have - and i think if anyone seriously looked at the Leave campaigners - from the Farage, Davis, Gove, Johnson, and examined their lies, their hate-speech, their histories of incompetence, then they would have known that was never on the cards.

So not just a failure of the political classes, but a failure of people to recognise they were being played.

YBVU to think the EU were going to let us leave with a big bunch of flowers a goodie bag full of gifts and a "sorry you are leaving good luck" card.

yes remain voters had 4 and a half years to many in the eu we should of left tstraight away. and if i voted for Cameron who said he would stay on whatever the result id also be very embarrassed voting for that liar and project like remain are doing.

Are you trying to argue that the leave campaigns lies - easiest deal, first in the queue, the Turks will invade, the millions for the NHS, the boom to the economy, the no change to the GFA etc etc are the equivalent to Cameron saying he would stay on in his role as PM?

Surely not.

Cameron's position was entirely untenable - not that I would have ever voted for the tosser but...

The mugs who voted leave are never going to understand it was a terrible idea, and screws themselves (and the rest of us over) it's not possible to have thought about it properly and still voted leave.

Yer think?

@Romancer

I worked for one of the Brexit Groups so had a chance to meet some of the politicians involved on both sides. A very dispiriting experience!

Who would have thought that the worst political decision would be followed by the worst Prime Minister since 1900.
Teresa May, a Remainer tried to act as if the referendum decision, was merely the start of a debate. She sacked nearly all the competent negotiators.
Then we had the worst, that is least effective Leader of the Opposition ever.
On the credit side, the value of British businesses is very close to an All Time High. Interest Rates are Low. Houses have held their value.
Sterling is higher than before the Referendum.
No, I sure didn't think it would still be unfinished after 4 years.
It says more about the failure of the political classes than about the merits of one side or another.

Ah, this post is great!

Amazing who doesn't get mentioned.

Followed by "Everyone in the political classes is to blame."

Yeah.

No.

Nice try. But no.

We have actually noticed that Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Nigel Farage, Jacob Rees-Mogg and a large number of other Patriotic Chaps™ butchered this, cooked it up and served it still pink in the middle.

Sterling is higher than before the Referendum.

No it isn't.

www.exchangerates.org.uk/GBP-EUR-exchange-rate-history.html

The average over the last week is £1 = 1.1063Euro

Before the referendum it was over 1.3 Euro to the £

@Romancer

Why have you lied?

It says more about the failure of the political classes than about the merits of one side or another.

Those being the self same political classes certain people decided should be the guardians of all this sovereignty we're getting back. That for me is the biggest joke of all - the man in the street who thinks getting our sovereignty back will somehow make his life better without considering the eejits who will have control of it. Looking at the shower of cockwombles that have infested Westminster for the past few decades, the less sovereignty we have the better.

And why did the man in the street vote for Brexit?

I remember lots of talk around Norwegian or Swiss type arrangements before the referendum. I voted remain but I didn't think that soft Brexit would be a disaster, just slightly worse than remain.

I knew several leave voters who had broadly similar views to me, but to them remain seemed slightly worse than leave. One of them was very keen that the Erasmus scheme should continue, we should have free trade, migration should remain fairly easy, etc. She now posts regularly on Facebook about how we should leave without a deal because the EU is "punishing us". It seems to me that a lot of leavers have become more extreme since the referendum.

@yellowcatss

yes remain voters had 4 and a half years to many in the eu we should of left tstraight away. and if i voted for Cameron who said he would stay on whatever the result id also be very embarrassed voting for that liar and project like remain are doing.

What does this actually mean? I can't make head nor tail of it. Remain voters had 4 and a half years to what????

I think they are trying to say that following the referendum remainers were allowed to stay in the EU for 4.5 years, and that they should have been made to leave the EU straightaway. Or some such nonsense.

🙄

It seems to me that a lot of leavers have become more extreme since the referendum.

It’s been an interesting exercise in the applied theory of radicalisation by the state and the wider body politic. Pretty textbook.

When are remoaners going to stop?

We have left the EU.

A so called deal or no deal won't have any effect in the long run.

So there's no need to get worked up.

Just remember we were only in the EU for about forty years, and not in it the whole of the rest of time, i.e. hundreds and hundreds of years.

God that bloody phone call between Johnson and von de Leyen must have been a classic 'you hang up,' 'no you hang up,' 'no you hang up' for the fucking political optics of not wanting to be seen to be the first to pull the plug; till desperate aides pulled Johnson's phone out of the wall.

A so called deal or no deal won't have any effect in the long run.

How long is the long run?

Also quite reasonable for people to be worried about food supplies, medical supplies, jobs and public finances in the short run. We don’t live our lives entirely in the ‘long run’.

@DesdemonaDryEyes

And why did the man in the street vote for Brexit?

Tbh I think it has a lot to do with not really understanding how Britain got rich in the first place. In schools the curriculum doesn’t really go into enough depth about the British Empire. Apparently a lot of people voted for Brexit because of nostalgia and a belief that the former empire can be regained.

I wonder how many Brexit voters are aware that it was the colonies that were Britain’s strength? Many of which are never returning.

www.vice.com/en/article/y3z4wk/watch-how-britain-stole-dollar45-trillion-from-india-with-trains

This link I was sent really seemed to be an eye-opener. No one talks about this stuff in schools! No wonder to average person is unaware.

Just remember we were only in the EU for about forty years, and not in it the whole of the rest of time, i.e. hundreds and hundreds of years

this is another of the kind of comment that gives leavers a bad name