to think 'Fuck em, if you want No Deal Brexit so hard, then enjoy it' and fuck you if it turns out shit for you

[chomalungma]

I am past caring now.
I feel for people who didn't want Brexit. Who know all the implications and can see the issues that are coming.

But if you want No Deal Brexit and it fucks you up, tough shit.

You wanted it. You get it. You own it.

And pardon me if I don't give a shit anymore about you.

@chomalungma

It will be interesting to see how other economies recover compared to the UK economy post Covid.

It won't be reported in the Tory (printed) MSM.

We had one of the slowest growth rates after the global financial crash, i doubt too many DM or Sun readers knew that.

@Buddytheelf85

The Tories will blame Covid - it’s a gift. Brexit would have been bloody brilliant, except Covid.

Anyone with Britain’s best interests at heart - Brexiteer or Remainer - would have extended the transition period in the summer, in light of what happened this year. Surely, not even the most ardent Brexiteer could genuinely think it’s a good idea to crash out the EU at a time when our economy’s not even close to recovering from its sharpest contraction in history.

Covid might be a mixed gift though.

Covid highlighted a lot of issues about Brexit and not being with our EU partners in a bloc or group anymore.

The double whammy of covid and Brexit (Brovid) just empathises what an awful idea Brexit is (even to people who wanted Brexit). Going it alone isn’t so attractive when there’s a worldwide pandemic showing we are all in some things together.

But that’s probably because you’re self-aware well-off.

I think the only people who actually benefit (if all they care about is money) from voting Tory are the super rich and that's most definitely not me. People who actually have to engage with the rest of society or use public services or have any sort of job (pretty much regardless of pay) do not benefit from voting Tory and they will minimise your rights and reduce your services.

I saw something on the internet the other day, about somebody saying they vote Tory because they're a capitalist. Somebody responded by pointing out that your not a capitalist, what you talking about, you're a worker, you don't own any capital.

Been at work, any news on what's happening re negotiations ?

Going it alone isn’t so attractive when there’s a worldwide pandemic showing we are all in some things together.

Yet here we are. Because of basic stupidity.

So negotiations extended ? Well that is good news, non of the sticking points is insurmountable, so hopefully the UK and EU can reach a compromise and get a deal done before Christmas ?

Janegrey333 Sun 13-Dec-20 19:55:51
I really despise them that they have brought us to this.

Do you mean Labour and the Libdems ? Who refused on numerous occasions to back May's BRINO (Brexit in name only deal) staying in Customs Union and Single Market. I do.

This time there is no scapegoat. No other party to carry the burden of blame. This fall on the Tories. And they will be aware of that. Especially since Boris is likely to want a 2nd term (assuming the rest of his term is not like 2020...).

You seriously think BloJob is going to make it to the next General Election as Prime Minister? The Grandees are already sharpening their knives in public.

Many thousands of people have done what Workerbee80 has done since the referendum result, I don't know the figures on how many of those applicants also voted to leave though ?
I suppose if you were fully committed to the ideology of Brexit and believed that other countries would be following suit fairly quickly, you wouldn't need to apply for a EU passport, as you would believe that the Irish would soon see sense and also leave ?

Or you might have slightly regreted your decision when you realised what leaving the EU might entail and decided to secure your alliance to the EU through a relatives birthplace ?

@TheSandman

This time there is no scapegoat. No other party to carry the burden of blame. This fall on the Tories. And they will be aware of that. Especially since Boris is likely to want a 2nd term (assuming the rest of his term is not like 2020...).

You seriously think BloJob is going to make it to the next General Election as Prime Minister? The Grandees are already sharpening their knives in public.

Like him or loathe him, he’s the face that got them Brexit and the biggest party victory for a long time. This day last year - gosh if only BJ knew the reality of his victory...

BJ may not be competent but he has appeal because he comes across as harmless.

@tanguero I don't think that is entirely true is it ?
Theresa wanted us out of the single market for a number of reasons. She wanted some sort of customs 'arrangement' with the EU that would allow the UK to negotiate its own trade deals with other countries.

Do you mean Labour and the Libdems ? Who refused on numerous occasions to back May's BRINO (Brexit in name only deal) staying in Customs Union and Single Market. I do

That's not true - May made it clear her red lines were not in the single market.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38641208

Theresa May has said the UK "cannot possibly" remain within the European single market, as staying in it would mean "not leaving the EU at all".

The PM promised to push for the "freest possible trade" with European countries and warned the EU that to try to "punish" the UK would be "an act of calamitous self-harm".

She also said Parliament would vote on the final deal that is agreed.

Labour warned of "enormous dangers" in the prime minister's plans.

And the European Parliament's lead negotiator said there could be no "cherry-picking" by the UK in the talks.

Mrs May used her much-anticipated speech to announce her priorities for Brexit negotiations, including maintaining the common travel area between the UK and Irish Republic and "control" of migration between the UK and the EU

(Back in 2017)

It's a shame there was not much working together across parties till near the end - and May had her own agenda.

Do you mean Labour and the Libdems ? Who refused on numerous occasions to back May's BRINO (Brexit in name only deal) staying in Customs Union and Single Market. I do

You are incorrect, May never proposed staying in the SM and CU.

BRINO was a phrase coined by the pro brexit lobby to discredit any deal that they didn't agree with.

BRINO was a phrase coined by the pro brexit lobby to discredit any deal that they didn't agree with.

Yes it was coined by ERG but if I remember correctly it was widely regarded across all parties as a crap deal.

@StormzyinaTCup

BRINO was a phrase coined by the pro brexit lobby to discredit any deal that they didn't agree with.

Yes it was coined by ERG but if I remember correctly it was widely regarded across all parties as a crap deal.

Most remainers would have been happy with a Brino that had us in the SM and the CU :)

@frumpety

So negotiations extended ? Well that is good news, non of the sticking points is insurmountable, so hopefully the UK and EU can reach a compromise and get a deal done before Christmas ?

1. I think it's show. Panem et circes
2. Even if they do, neither side will have time for ratification -- ergo: there will be a shitshow of a january
3. even if they do2: what exactly will they be agreeing to? What I found after a (admittedly) superficial search was either fragments from journos or zillion page documents with language that made me tired by the second sentence.
4. even if they do3 - businesses are in a position that they don't know what is happening in ONLY 17 days!

Some businesses are somewhat resilient to sudden shock, but anything involving physical products, supply chains,... are now probably tearing all their left-over hair out.

These people have never worked in any real jobs. They have no idea what it means to organize complex chain of events. Like today them telling supermarkets to stock more in case of no-deal. Really? Because there is an abundance of goods (and exactly what is needed of course) just lying around in the world waiting for this moment to happen. No. reality is that it is way to late.
And if if above would happen (never) the supermarkets operate with very small storage capacity (relatively of course). Meaning that they would now need to find warehouses and freezer houses (whatever their proper name is) to store all the above ordered items.
Again: how likely is it that there are massive empty warehouses all of a sudden just ready for the taking.
And even if there were, these would have to be paid for. Meaning that they would have had to be budgeted in at the beginning of the year/x months ago at least.
And these problems are really only touching the surface, it is way more complex than this. But even on this 10mi high level it is obviously stupid and not doable.
I only hope that supermarket logistics crews are much better at this and have. Well, I'm almost sure that they have already done all they can as if no-deal was to happen. And even with measures taken many are saying that there will be disruptions....

Just because someone votes leave and then applies for a EU passport doesn't make them "the lowest form of human life"

Thats ridiculous, she hasn't murdered her children.