to think 'Fuck em, if you want No Deal Brexit so hard, then enjoy it' and fuck you if it turns out shit for you

[chomalungma]

I am past caring now.
I feel for people who didn't want Brexit. Who know all the implications and can see the issues that are coming.

But if you want No Deal Brexit and it fucks you up, tough shit.

You wanted it. You get it. You own it.

And pardon me if I don't give a shit anymore about you.

@jasjas1973

The positive is that the large Tory victory means they own Brexit. If it goes badly then it’s totally on them. So there’s more incentive to get it right: there’s no scapegoat

thats working out well isn't it?

What’s the alternative?

It’s a rubbish situation. But since it was the Tory government that started the Brexit mess then it’s only fair they own it.

In the coalition the Lib Dem’s became the fall guy. The Tory party had a scapegoat for all their unpopular decisions like tuition fees etc. It showed in the 2015 election too.

This time there is no scapegoat. No other party to carry the burden of blame. This fall on the Tories. And they will be aware of that. Especially since Boris is likely to want a 2nd term (assuming the rest of his term is not like 2020...).

@StormzyinaTCup

So sorry Derxa, I have a friend called KIER who I do tend to text more frequently than I do KEIR Hardie or KEIR Starmer. Which is fortunate really because I'm an I before E except after C kinda gal.

Well at least you're not calling him Keith which is the name Corbynites seem to call him.

To say an absolute majority voted for a second referendum is a bit of a jump (in my opinion).

Well, both the LDs and Labour ostensibly campaigned for on a second referendum ticket, albeit lukewarmly. But the wider point is that you can absolutely have a majority opinion that is not represented in parliament under the FPTP system, contrary to what the poster I was replying to claimed.

The alternative would be Bojo scraps the whole idea :)

I don't think the Tories will "own" brexit, they'll find someone to blame, we'll lap it up & put them back in in 2024.

Well at least you're not calling him Keith which is the name Corbynites seem to call him

Rest assured, that particular issue is not even on my radar

So good, you agree with me, the electorate do not hold politicians to account.
For the avoidance of doubt, no, I don't agree with you, as clearly indicated in my response.

The alternative would be Bojo scraps the whole idea

I'd love a "Brexit is cancelled!" Christmas! Now that would give 2020 a nice end.

Says someone who doesn't know their history.
Says someone who prefers to make snide comment rather than answer in a reasonable tone.

My H used to work for Kier - the construction company. Since then I don't even try....

@Notonthestairs

Why would you need an EU passport - isn't it all going to be wonderful here?

Indeed. Makes you wonder just why those people wanted to leave the rest of the continent. I don’t really they really understood what they were doing. But now they are holding their EU passports aloft and declaring, “I’m alright, Jack.”

Niiice.

@jasjas1973

The alternative would be Bojo scraps the whole idea :)

I don't think the Tories will "own" brexit, they'll find someone to blame, we'll lap it up & put them back in in 2024.

Too late for scrapping it.

You’re probably right that the Tories will try not to “own” Brexit. But you can sure as hell bet that will be what the opposition will use against them. Maybe in the long run, Labour’s on the fence approach may mean they can wholly shift Brexit onto the Tories. And let’s face it: the Tories will struggle to not own Brexit when it is quite obviously theirs to own.

Correction:

I don’t think they really...etc.

@jasjas1973

We don't have PR, so a FPTP system means that no matter how many vote for the losing parties, they don't matter, they are ignored and that ain't going to change.

We do in Scotland. Actually.

Sadly it didn’t help when it came to the lunacy of the Leave brigade.

I really despise them that they have brought us to this.

People vote by self-interest
I'm quite well off (really, not 'bank owns everything') I don't vote Tory. I agree that I DO vote with my own self interest in mind though. Me and my family would be worse off under a Tory government. For example the Tory austerity will run public services down this will make my life worse, I use the NHS (well, not really, but only because we're all very healthy) my children go to state schools, I drive on the roads etc. I don't like seeing so my poverty, it makes me unhappy, I will be happier with less poverty in the country, therefore it's in my own self interest to NOT vote Tory.

I don't think the Tories will "own" brexit, they'll find someone to blame, we'll lap it up & put them back in in 2024.
I agree. And people who have lost everything under the Tories will vote to keep them in power.

Lol, you’re so ‘ard op

@KenDodd

I don't think the Tories will "own" brexit, they'll find someone to blame, we'll lap it up & put them back in in 2024. I agree. And people who have lost everything under the Tories will vote to keep them in power.

Therein lies the irony.

@Hellothere19999

Lol, you’re so ‘ard op

Huh?

@KenDodd

I don't think the Tories will "own" brexit, they'll find someone to blame, we'll lap it up & put them back in in 2024. I agree. And people who have lost everything under the Tories will vote to keep them in power.

Like an electoral Stockholm syndrome?

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@KenDodd

People vote by self-interest I'm quite well off (really, not 'bank owns everything') I don't vote Tory. I agree that I DO vote with my own self interest in mind though. Me and my family would be worse off under a Tory government. For example the Tory austerity will run public services down this will make my life worse, I use the NHS (well, not really, but only because we're all very healthy) my children go to state schools, I drive on the roads etc. I don't like seeing so my poverty, it makes me unhappy, I will be happier with less poverty in the country, therefore it's in my own self interest to NOT vote Tory.

But that’s probably because you’re self-aware well-off. You’re aware of what being well-off is actually about.

From talking to people who vote Tory they do so partly to fit in with the feeling they are rich and middle class now. It’s a status thing that seems to be rooted in insecurity. The Tory label helps to feel “I’m doing well for myself” without truly understanding what a Tory party is actually about.

The Tories will blame Covid - it’s a gift. Brexit would have been bloody brilliant, except Covid.

Anyone with Britain’s best interests at heart - Brexiteer or Remainer - would have extended the transition period in the summer, in light of what happened this year. Surely, not even the most ardent Brexiteer could genuinely think it’s a good idea to crash out the EU at a time when our economy’s not even close to recovering from its sharpest contraction in history.

@Buddytheelf85 Agreed. Covid is the perfect excuse for economic fallout of Brexit. Rishi Sunak didn't even mention it in his spending review speech, like the biggest pending economic upheaval was completely ignored. Any sensible government would have taken the opportunity to extend the transition to protect the economy from further harm but we are not dealing with sensible here as evidenced by pretty much everything that has happened in this pandemic. Let's always remember that Brexit is entirely self inflicted and completely avoidable.

It will be interesting to see how other economies recover compared to the UK economy post Covid.