to think 'Fuck em, if you want No Deal Brexit so hard, then enjoy it' and fuck you if it turns out shit for you

[chomalungma]

I am past caring now.
I feel for people who didn't want Brexit. Who know all the implications and can see the issues that are coming.

But if you want No Deal Brexit and it fucks you up, tough shit.

You wanted it. You get it. You own it.

And pardon me if I don't give a shit anymore about you.

@chomalungma as I will say again that you keep conveniently ignoring, we have no idea what will happen because it hasn’t happened yet. It could be the best thing that ever happened , it could be the worse, we have no idea.

I totally bagree and in fact I don't want a deal, even though I voted remain. I want us to be confronted with the full effects, good or bad, of not being part of a European collective that the narrow majority voted for. I don't want people protected from their choices. Hopefully it will pave the way for better cooperation with Europe again at some point in the future, which I will always want.

[quote Hollyoakswatcher]@chomalungma as I will say again that you keep conveniently ignoring, we have no idea what will happen because it hasn’t happened yet. It could be the best thing that ever happened , it could be the worse, we have no idea.[/quote]
We do have no idea.
We are about to find out.
It's one hell of an experiment.
But there are some things we can be sure about that will happen if we get a No Deal.

I think the problem is that the EU are trying to make our exit so bad for us that no other country wants to leave either. If they co-operate and make it ok then it wont be long before other countries exit too.

And Brexiters will cite that as the reason its all gone wrong, and tbh I can see their point as the EU are being very very difficult over this. However, I do wish we could just say "You know what, lets forget all this Brexit nonsense and pretend it never happened" and stay in!

@hollyoakswatcher That still doesn't make it democratic, does it? In a general election people vote on a variety of issues AND they get to vote again after a few years. A referendum is not the same. It needs to be clearly written not botched together in a hurry - and everyone directly affected should get a vote. It is not democratic to disenfranchise your own citizens! In fact, we have criticized other nations for doing that in the past, nations that we regarded as corrupt yet when we do it, suddenly it's "democracy ".

Yes.
I have an aunt who owns a property in Spain, spends 3 months a year there (on and off) and wants to retire there next year. She voted Brexit and is outraged at the proposed time limits etc. She's also the sort to be outraged at Spanish people speaking Spanish in Spain, though, so...

Anyway. I care a little bit about people who were duped and who admit they didn't want no deal and wouldn't have voted leave if they had known. Those who are adamant they wanted no deal can fuck off.

As I said in another thread, I have some savings, a stable job and am entitled to an EU passport. I'll most likely be OK. I'm past caring because if I think about it too much I get angry.

It could be the best thing that ever happened , it could be the worse, we have no idea.
Yes, true. If I drive at 100mph into a brick wall I can tell myself "who knows what will happen next, it might all be lovely".

@PyongyangKipperbang

I think the problem is that the EU are trying to make our exit so bad for us that no other country wants to leave either. If they co-operate and make it ok then it wont be long before other countries exit too.

And Brexiters will cite that as the reason its all gone wrong, and tbh I can see their point as the EU are being very very difficult over this. However, I do wish we could just say "You know what, lets forget all this Brexit nonsense and pretend it never happened" and stay in!

That was a big part of the reason why I voted to remain. I don't like the EU but I felt it was better to stay in and have some influence rather than be on the outside and facing recriminations for having the cheek to leave.

If Remainers could have kept their EU citizenship rights, I would accepted Brexit as a democratic decision, even though I think it’s a terrible idea.

But in this referendum, one group of people voted to remove other people’s rights. That’s not my idea of democracy. It will never be justifiable or fair. I won’t say what I think of the Brexiters who applied for Irish citizenship after the referendum.

UK political system is very broken and has nothing to do with democracy.

Party who only had 40% of votes is ruling with an absolute majority and happy to ride UK PLC off the Dover Cliffs harming all Brits.

Incompetence rules, see the appalling way they have managed Covid Pandemic. Non of the Cabinet amount to anything all previously failed in other position.

Only qualifying trait they needed to have was to say 'Yes Dom'

Johnsons proven cheat and liar, both in privat life as in work/business.

Deeply damaging to UK and its citizens.

@Plussizejumpsuit

I get what you mean. But unfortunately it's not just a matter of fuck all the people who wanted brexit this is the brexit you're getting. Because the negative effects will not just effect the people who wanted it. So in that sense Yabu. But I get it

This ^ If only it only affected the Leavers. But it won't.

And in fact, the more I think about the people who will be most affected- the young people who never even got a vote- the angrier I become.

We voted to limit the life opportunities and chances of the next generation.

I have an aunt who owns a property in Spain, spends 3 months a year there (on and off) and wants to retire there next year. She voted Brexit and is outraged at the proposed time limits etc. She's also the sort to be outraged at Spanish people speaking Spanish in Spain, though, so

Yes. It's incredible how many people are outraged that we are now going to be treated exactly the same as people who are not resident of countries not in the EU or Schengen.

I feel like the OP a bit. Our family is affected. We had to make a choice which country to live in. If life gets difficult in DH's (different language and culture for DD) we don't have the option of ever moving back to the UK. I worry about my pension and my mum getting frail and sick as she gets older. I worry about me getting dementia and forgetting the other language. I care about the cost of health insurance for visits either way as we all get older.

I am resentful of my cousins who voted leave. They have family money to support them if it goes tits up for them (also they don't really know anything about Europe having never moved more than 10 miles from their place of birth and the occasional holiday in Spain).

On one hand, I do feel that we should be respectful of others choices. Also we have a corrupt right-wing government who relies on conflict between the plebs for votes. But still it was obvious that it was going to fuck up a lot for nearly everyone in the country. So fucking obvious.

If leavers feel justified to be pissed off about words, I feel justified about being pissed off about the concrete effects on my life of their actions.

@DrDavidBanner

And do you think treating them like dickheads changes their opinions?

Who cares about their opinions? They can eat their opinions when they can't afford food.

@MissEliza

YEs I think a lot of people saw that coming so voted to avoid being victimised rather than because they genuinely thought being in the EU was a better thing for us over all. Personally it was a bit of both for me, but I am not at all surprised that any overtures made by the UK to discuss this with individual governments has been rebuffed. They dont want us planting the seed.

I have been having more sympathy with some of the more ....... shall we say historical..... comparisons made with the EU recently though.

@Haffiana, the racist Northerners were played weren't they?

What really pissed me off today was listening to the radio and it was just talking about what the Tory MPs thought.

Has no one asked the UK population what they think? What kind of relatiionship we want? No mention of the actual UK citizens at all. It's just this massive No Deal is based on a referendum and the election - and they are allowed to negotiate the best deal or No Deal.

And we have no say in what we think of that. Just a Government with a massive majority.

Well yes to the brexiteers I suppose although the reality is I doubt many of them really understood the complexity of what they were voting for. The sad reality is a lot of them fell for the propoganda and a significant proportion of the country voted to remain and everyone is equally affected by the shit show.

All the ‘scaremongering’ is really coming to fruition and many international companies have already established new EU entities through which to continue trade and maintain relevant licenses. The fact that the UK economy will shrink and prices will increase is really the only thing everyone can prepare themselves for at this point.

Haffiania you realise the vote won't be taken away from people for being hungry or northern much as u might like thst. So if you want to change the politics of this country you need to change the opinions of people who vote differently.

Yes I'm beyond trying to win hearts and minds, told it's my fault because I didn't kiss Brexiteer arse hard enough, getting called a Remoaner and told that I lost, get over it. Moment of truth is almost here.

@Europilgrim that is hilarious

@Northernshepherd

Haffiania you realise the vote won't be taken away from people for being hungry or northern much as u might like thst. So if you want to change the politics of this country you need to change the opinions of people who vote differently.

I think people who voted differently are going to have to change their opinions through experience - and then need to be persuaded they want something better.

I wish the only people who suffered from Brexit were those who voted for it. That would be fair and just.

Unfortunately, it won't be that way.

Everyone will have to suffer.

Those that voted Brexit will be front of the toilet roll queue when it all goes to shit (allegorically and metaphorically) - they will take no responsibility and never admit they were wrong.

I would love to be wrong about Brexit, I really would. I have worried for the last 4.5 years. If I thought there were any signs at all of any promises coming true, I’d be really relieved. I’d still struggle to forgive the very real hurt and damage done to my EU family, friends and colleagues, butI’d be pleased that we weren’t all going to be poor on top of it.

But that’s not what’s goingt9 happen, is it.