Resort manager has a point?

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Just been absolutely roasted and kicked out of a FB group for my opinion on this.

AIBU to think the parent should have considered what resort she was booking? Their website is very clear.

www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g298461-d477886-r778557585-Plantation_Bay_Resort_And_Spa-Lapu_Lapu_Mactan_Island_Cebu_Island_Visayas.html

For full disclaimer I have two ridiculously noisy children with additional needs, I specifically ensure our holiday resorts are suitable. I don't think its fair to subject a resort full of holidaymakers who have specifically chosen a quiet resort to them?

The child wasn't excluded for their disability. They were told to leave because of the noise they were making.

Again not everyone with auditory sensory issues makes noise. For many it can be excruciating painful to listen to the sounds of other people. This is classed as a disability.

Not all relaxed screenings allow noise. Read the link from BFI, some are specifically quiet sessions and noisy people are asked to leave. They also have dedicated quiet areas specifically aimed to those who want to escape the noise. Same with Screen on the Green. Before lockdown 1, some Vue cinemas were also trialling quiet cinema sessions.

Now if you really want to go down this discrimination route. Those with sensory issues and it's painful are discriminated by society on a daily basis. There are few places out there that provide a safe quiet area.

Those who make noise that is associated with their disability (far more ranging than ASD) aren't prevented by using those services. Take the cinema for example - toddlers screening - baby screening - children's screening - Autism friendly - all sessions that allow for noise.

If you like what they are supporting then by all means do choose to holiday there
Not everything in life is about fighting causes.

We have nightmare neighbours with undiciplined screaming kids who make our life a misery in the summer. We would like to have at least one place we can go, at a time we are supposed to relax and recharge our batteries, during holidays.

It's nothing to do with not supporting disability rights, it's about looking forward to some peace and quiet which for us is priceless. Is this really a crime?

The child wasn't excluded for their disability. They were told to leave because of the noise they were making. I don’t agree. The happy children pictured playing at the resort to demonstrate how child friendly they were don’t make involuntary noises. We know they don’t have this disability because they couldn’t be there if they did. Other children who choose to be noisy aren’t there either. The first has been discriminated against because of their disability, the second hasn’t. HTH

Read the link from BFI I did???

@dontdisturbmenow if it’s ok for you then it’s ok for you, I just said it wasn’t for me

You know from the pictures they don't make involuntary noises.

You don't know from the picture if they have a disability.

All you know from the picture is they are children who can still have fun. And because of the rules of the place, not everyone has to hear about it.

You don't know from the picture if they have a disability. I know they don’t have a disability that means they can’t control how much noise they make. Did you not understand the point? Or are you saying there are pictures of children who wouldn’t be allowed in the resort used to advertise the resort, because that would be a bit odd.

It’s almost like even if it says on the websites making noise and moving around is ok, you’re just going to carry on trying to imply it’s not so that the disabled people don’t attempt to go to the cinema?
It’s almost like if the resort says “you can’t come if you’re noisy” you’re going to keep insisting that people who can’t be quiet could go, if only they weren’t who they are, isn’t excluding them because of who they are?

Oh ffs. Stop. It has no point to try to argue here🤦
It keeps popping up on my active threads.
Muting you all

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@5zeds

seems to not cover those who are especially sensitive to noise, only those more likely to make noise. as explained up thread these are not mutually exclusive sections of the autistic community.

Of course there will be some crossover. But if a person both makes a lot of noise, and cannot stand noise, fairly sure you will disagree, but if they purposely go to somewhere that specifies quiet as a necessity, they are being a bit selfish surely? It may not be their fault they make constant noise, but its not others fault that they cannot stand it either, others who have specifically sought out places where their problems will not (or should not) affect them. And while the autistic person who does make noise might not like noise, them attending events for those who are noise sensitive, is quite crappy IMO, as it is purposely going against the stated aim, whatever the reasons for ignring the 'rules'.

Maybe the answer would be 'quiet' sessions where noise is accepted. But that just takes us back to 'Autism friendly' sessions that already exist. I genuinely cannot see the issue in a select few areas/events/whatever being for people who have issues with noise. Some people who have issues with noise who cannot control their level of noise, is irrelevant really when it comes to the aim of the sessions/areas..which might be upsetting but, most of the world is welcoming of those who make noise, its tiny tiny pieces that are good for those who cannot stand this, yet it appears people are arguing to remove the very few places that people who cannot tolerate noise could go, in order to be inclusive..which in turn, excludes the people the session/area was meant to be for in the first place..

Thanks canigooutyet, will definitely look into those as it would be nice to be able to take DD to see something that her friends actually talk about as its new, instead of 10 year old stuff that we are limited to at the minute.

so that the disabled people don’t attempt to go to the cinema?

Of course disabled people should be able to go to the cinema, if they want to. Its like, one session per month thats exclusively quieter, if that. Which is why I don't see why there seems to be much angst about one 2 hours in a month existing where people who make noise are not meant to go, in order to allow some other people, who cannot go at any other time than the 2 hours per month..to enjoy the cinema also. Arguing for removal of such rare cases, is the view that some disabled people shouldn't go to the cinema..

Mind this is going in circles tbh so this will be my last post on it. While it is discrimination to say people who cannot help making noise are to avoid 2 hours per month where quiet is required, it is for a very good reason, to include all people with disabilities instead of only some. Not having such sessions would completely exclude some disabled people from ever going to the cinema. And I am sure it would be universally agreed that making it so some disabled people can never go there, is much more of a problem than saying there is one session in a blue moon where some disabled people cannot go to, but they can go to all the other sessions.

I still can’t find any listing for “quiet sessions” either at the cinema or the supermarket.

I do take issue with being told I’m intensely selfish for taking my son to the supermarket in an hour designed for people like him and to have people insist it isn’t. Nobody has said that disabled people should storm the resort, rather that their website should highlight their “rules” rather than presenting themselves as child friendly and that the rules discriminated against some individuals. Nobody has said it isn’t hard to live with auditory sensitivity.

I think the suggestion that people who make noise can’t be sensitive to noise or that it’s only a small number who are is just so far from my experience it’s jaw dropping.