Carrie Bradshaw - A CF, right?

[Nikhedonia]

She's a pretty self-obsessed shit friend, but a CF too, right?

I rewatched an episode the other day where she needed to buy her apartment and she expected Charlotte to sell her engagement ring to fund the purchase

I reckon if SATC were real, Miranda or Charlotte would be on MN gushing about their best friend being incredible and everyone would be calling Carrie a CF and advising them to go NC.

@BalthazarImpresario

Yeah I think Carrie over played what Miranda said to big, if that’s all it took to cause him to jilt her then he’sa flakey fuck and run away from him but in real life he would have thought, she’s just separated after her husband slept with someone else, of course she’s going to say that, best get some shut eye for the big day. But no Carrie believes that’s all it was that caused him to not turn up not her creating a complete circus and ignoring all his wishes throughout the wedding planning.

But if it's all Miranda's fault then Carrie doesn't have to look at herself and her own behaviour which led to Bug jilting her.

I haven’t actually watched SATC enough to comment but from memory the trendiest, coolest girls in their 20’s/30’s were always a little bitchy and self obsessed. Men always seemed to lap it up as well. If you look at the US high school dramas there’s always a bunch of good looking, fashion obsessed bitchy girls. So, is she just reflecting reality but in a more sympathetic way from the POV of this group? I could well be wrong on this one

I've jus watched the second movie because it's on Netflix and find Carrie extremely irritating. She doesn't want to be like the typical married couple and wants to keep the sparkle alive 🧐 and underlines "just the two of us" as they don't want kids but she can't enjoy each other's company . Okay Big is emotionally inept especially when she hands a vintage Rolex and his surprise is a TV for their anniversary but they are married and live together, that sparkle is going to fade. She gets annoyed about the take out food when the guy just comes home from work, fridge is empty, no food and what do you expect should he have no dinner? I mean I have a friend who lives like this and she cooks together with her husband a couple of days a week because they are so bored of eating out in restaurants. I was watching it with DH and he just said he could never live with someone so self absorbed like that. She also gets annoyed because his watching tv, what the fuck does she want? For him to sit like a mannequin and worship you? His earning millions, he comes home to you even though he has cheated and was shifty and he still comes home to you and he states "let's enjoy the home you made" each time but no, she moans because he is watching tv, eating take out and not wanting to go on a movie premiere on a Monday when the stock market hits down which clearly means a stressful day at work. Then she goes to her old apartment to do her writing because there is no where else in her new apartment to do this and then she is shocked because Big is enjoying the freedom without her and wants it to be a thing.

The character that made me cringe the most was the older one who talked about sex the whole time. She literally made me cringe so much I had to turn it off.

Nikhedonia no I agree she should have looked at her actions and her actions only as a contributing factor not poor Miranda who was dealing with her world being rocked.
I’ve read all of that Carrie is the worst blog and am fully on board that she is a CF

What’s a CF?

@BalthazarImpresario

Yeah I think Carrie over played what Miranda said to big, if that’s all it took to cause him to jilt her then he’sa flakey fuck and run away from him but in real life he would have thought, she’s just separated after her husband slept with someone else, of course she’s going to say that, best get some shut eye for the big day. But no Carrie believes that’s all it was that caused him to not turn up not her creating a complete circus and ignoring all his wishes throughout the wedding planning.

To be fair, though, that's her arc in the film...realising she had overdone the wedding stuff and not focused on the relationship. They ended up having a simple and sincere ceremony that they both loved.

Big's reasons for jilting her were a bit contrived but they had to set it up in such a way that he could be forgiven for it and have the happy ending. So he regretted it at once and came right round.

To be fair, though, that's her arc in the film...realising she had overdone the wedding stuff and not focused on the relationship.

Which she then totally undid at the start of the second film!

@SingleWontMingle

To be fair, though, that's her arc in the film...realising she had overdone the wedding stuff and not focused on the relationship.

Which she then totally undid at the start of the second film!

Yes, the second one was unmitigated shite.

To be fair, though, that's her arc in the film...realising she had overdone the wedding stuff and not focused on the relationship. They ended up having a simple and sincere ceremony that they both loved.

I really wanted a scene where Carrie admits this to Miranda, though. I do get the upset over Miranda not telling her, as for Carrie it felt like a missing piece of the puzzle that she needed to process what happened on the day. But her comment about ‘you want me to forgive you when you won’t even forgive Steve’ pisses me off SO much! I’d be telling her to fuck right off if I were Miranda.

I get that they were trying to do a whole ‘Miranda learns about forgiveness’ thing but it was so hamfisted and made Carrie look like a dick, especially because I feel like the group’s support of Miranda when Steve cheated was so lukewarm to begin with.

Carrie did travel to Brooklyn at 11pm so that Miranda didn’t have to spend NYE alone though, which always makes me tears.

Yes! Absolutely awful. She is a terrible friend - I can't believe it wasn't obvious when I first watched it. I'd like to know if SJP was ever asked about her behaviour.

@KimchiLaLa

Yes! Absolutely awful. She is a terrible friend - I can't believe it wasn't obvious when I first watched it. I'd like to know if SJP was ever asked about her behaviour.

Constantly, although it was more along the lines of "she's vapid, loves clothes and shoes and sex" than anything else.

I actually can't get too worked up about the characters not being the greatest role models ever. First of all, they weren't supposed to be; they were meant to be flawed and struggling to navigate the new world. Second, nobody gives a shit about whether James Bond or Jason Bourne are good "role models", we're told just to enjoy it and not read too much into it. It's only stuff for women that's always supposed to be worthy and edifying. I always thought it was pretty obvious that it wasn't meant to be completely realistic, again like James Bond. I kept hearing people complaining that now women thought they were in SATC, but honestly I never met a woman who did.

I actually can't get too worked up about the characters not being the greatest role models ever.

No me neither. They aren't role models. Nor should/did we expect them to be.

Carrie is definitely a CF, though

@Nikhedonia

I actually can't get too worked up about the characters not being the greatest role models ever.

No me neither. They aren't role models. Nor should/did we expect them to be.

Carrie is definitely a CF, though

I think one of the problems the writers had was that in each 30-minute episode (shorter, really), they had to get four decent stories in and each character had to have some exposition, without chopping and changing talking scenes too much. Sometimes, they really had no choice but to get Carrie to start talking about what they needed her to say.

Samantha was the best. Remember when they were at the baby shower and the woman had stolen Charlotte's secret baby name, and Samantha told her off and left with Charlotte? Samantha couldn't care less about any of that but she knew how important it was to Charlotte. And when she fed Carrie in the Mexican hotel when she was so depressed after being jilted, and that little wink to let her know it was all going to be ok? And looking after Brady for Miranda, and confronting her fears to be a support when Miranda's mother died?

Team Samantha.

Samantha was great. But I also loved Miranda. Both brilliant characters. Not perfect people or "role models" but enjoyable to watch.

I've kind of lost patience with it now so taking a break from the series but mainly 44 year old me appreciates Miranda so much more than 27 year old me did!

PrincessNutNutRoast

Samantha was the best. Remember when they were at the baby shower and the woman had stolen Charlotte's secret baby name, and Samantha told her off and left with Charlotte? Samantha couldn't care less about any of that but she knew how important it was to Charlotte.

Samantha was brilliant. Was this the episode where she found out about the baby name and snarled "You BITCH!" with pure venom at the pregnant woman? She didn't give a shit about the baby name but I loved how she came out swinging for her friend.

Miranda is the queen though. I feel sad that the writers forced her through so much 'character development' by marrying her to that wet wipe Steve, then having him cheat on her so she can 'learn forgiveness' as a previous poster wrote. She deserved more than being a wage slave just to keep Steve in sex and puppies.

Im just watching The Family Stone SJP has amazing bone structure and skin. The film is shite though so whiny,

Was this the episode where she found out about the baby name and snarled "You BITCH!" with pure venom at the pregnant woman?

That's the one. "You bitch." "Let's go."

Samantha was also both forgiving and non-judgemental. Carrie and Charlotte both made thoughtlessly judgemental comments about Samantha's sexuality and when they'd had a word with themselves and apologised, she forgave them and forgot about it immediately.

I’ve rewatched a lot recently. The hatred / jealousy SJP has for Kim C is so visible. There are constant digs thrown by ‘Carrie’ to Sam. Constant. No wonder KC eventually walked away.

Yes. SJ is constantly poked fun of. The scene where Charlotte says "do you have any idea how much perfectly good semen that is" and Carrie turns to ask Samantha. It's pretty bitchy. Carrie seems to have had her fair share of dick, too. I reckon she could give an estimate a go!

Oh yes, and the episode where Carrie will not stop making fun of Samantha for fooling around with the delivery guy, even though Samantha is clearly getting more and more upset about it. She apologises and then immediately makes another joke!

And then when Carrie apologises Samantha just totally brushes it off so that Carrie doesn’t ever really have to feel bad about anything. I noticed that was a real pattern with her, she’s always made out to be not really at fault in anything even when she does apologise (see also, yelling at Charlotte about not lending her money, then she apologises, but Charlotte apologises too and gives her the money anyway!)

Agreed. I also saw the ep where Sam announces she’s getting back with Richard. They’re all aghast until Sam really states how she feels / that Richard loves her. Carrie says ‘then we must all support you’ before a snidey ‘right, what about an article about desperate women who’ll believe anything?’

Bitch.

I couldn't really tell that SJP and KC didn't get on when I've watched SATC, but I've just rewatched the episode where Miranda gets married. In the scene where Samantha tells Carrie she has cancer, there's a really awkward moment in the back of the car.

I also really dislike the way Miranda treats Steve's mum in that episode. She seems quite sneery when her new MIL discloses she was pregnant when she got married. I love Miranda normally and I love how she treats Steve's mum later on when she's unwell. But I really didn't like that.

I loved SATC but agree the second film was pretty terrible. Stanford was one of my favourite characters, I wish he had been in more episodes. CB was a pain in the arse though. Charlotte was a completely different woman after she married Harry but in a really good way. Samantha and Miranda are my favourite of the main 4.