Anybody else DISGUSTED at the anti lockdown protestors!?

[Duemarch2021]

It makes me so angry that people are protesting about lockdown... yes its frustrating but it's being done for a reason... to try and prevent as many deaths as there would be without a lockdown... they are selfishly spreading covid and yhe police have to put themselves out there and risk their lifes to stop the gatherings! 😠 What do they think will happen!? That government will say ok- ok you win... go wild, have fun and mingle lets just forget covid now!?.....Does this make anybody else absolutely fuming at the human race!!!?

@Duemarch2021

But surely them protesting in groups of thousands is just going to prolong it all? Im not saying people shouldn't protest about other things but this is a virus... the government can't necessarily say ok.. fine you win you can go out again we'll open all your businesses...

The government could say fuck it do what you want... but what would happen then? My point is what are they gaining or going to gain

You can equally argue that it's everyone locking themselves away that's going to prolong the situation. Whenever we come out of lockdown, numbers will rise because the virus will do what viruses do.

The deaths caused by lockdown will take months and in some cases years to show up in the stats - but I suspect the eventual toll to be very high.

Am I DISGUSTED? No.

I won’t be joining the protests because I trust the scientists. I don’t like lockdown, but I trust the experts.

That doesn’t mean that everyone has to think the same. If people want to protest, that is their right.

@ktp100

They look like an intelligent bunch, don't they?

Well, the far right are known for their intellect...

Me too, alec, and for the record to the PP who mentioned homelessness, I’m concerned about all suicides, not just those resulting from lockdown, but this is a thread about protesting lockdown so that’s why posters are concentrating on that. It’s possible for people to give an opinion on one matter without listing the 3,759 other circumstances in which they’d also be concerned. whataboutery, will cause the thread to lose its focus.

The best form of government is a strong opposition. We don't have that. The liberal democrats have more or less disappeared and labour are not providing any rigour in my opinion.
So, no I don't disapprove of protesters. I might not agree entirely with what they are doing or wish to do it myself but there is far too much fudging about by the government. This is not specific to the UK either.
It is all very well holding up places like New Zealand as an example but you are comparing apples and oranges. I'm not saying NZ hasn't handled it well but NZ has a population of about 5 million in 103,500 sq miles. We have 65 million in about 94000 sq miles.

@AlecTrevelyan006

The deaths caused by lockdown will take months and in some cases years to show up in the stats - but I suspect the eventual toll to be very high.

You made a typo. You must have meant to say the deaths caused by failed containment. We've had the same problem since March. We never had a proper lockdown. If we had, by now it would be mostly over. Like it is in Australia, New Zealand, the Isle of Man, the Channel Islands, Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong, Japan, Vietnam, etc.

@ElizabethG81

But there is now a vaccine which will be rolled out so eventually, hopefully things will settle and there will be an end in sight.. can't they just wait until then..like i daid the goverment aren't going to let them 'win' anything

OP, why do you keep going on about “winning”? No one is winning here. This is about the right to protest against something you disagree with.

Did you honestly expect everyone to agree with you about this?

NZ are going to have to open their borders properly sometime.....

I applaud them.Standing up for their rights.The entire country is being destroyed with these lockdowns.But not the corrupt members of our Government,making money from their grubby deals with their friends.

The fact a law was rushed through to make protests illegal at the moment speaks volumes.

There are bigger protests being organised for next weekend and they will get uglier.

I did watch live YouTube coverage today in London and the police were subjected to the most horrendous verbal abuse,it was vile.I certainly don’t approve of that behaviour,not surprising so many were arrested.

@Duemarch2021 you are being totally unreasonable. The situation is nowhere near as simplistic as you describe it.

[quote Duemarch2021]@ElizabethG81

But there is now a vaccine which will be rolled out so eventually, hopefully things will settle and there will be an end in sight.. can't they just wait until then..like i daid the goverment aren't going to let them 'win' anything[/quote]
It's the wider point of civil liberties that I'm interested in, that means more to me in the long term than Covid does. It's currently illegal to protest in this country - that is fucking scary to me. Doesn't matter what it's about, it is illegal to protest. That's wrong in any circumstance and it needs overturning straight away. Not "when the vaccine's rolled out", "when the numbers go down", "when there's no deaths". Now.

II seem to remember posters on here insisting that no one protests in the winter...............

and the police were subjected to the most horrendous verbal abuse,it was vile.I certainly don’t approve of that behaviour,not surprising so many were arrested

Didnt see that. If they did that then that was stupid

The "winning" mentality is interesting, and totally Johnson esque. The only reason he's currently back tracking slightly is due to opposition from his own MPs and fear of no longer "winning".

@FamilyOfAliens

I don't mind if people agree or disagree, I was interested to know what people thought .. my personal view is that it's selfish and it makes me angry as I feel it's pointless..

I keep saying 'winning' because they expect goverment to allow them their freedom... so if they 'win' their freedom will they be happy then? .. when they see the repercussions of no lockdowns and no masks etc?

Tolles. Yes, interesting to see, however some of the elements you mention eg cancer, delayed treatment etc due to covid will not be directly linked to the restrictions will they, this aspect of statistics may be due to nhs capacity, cancelled appointments, the manner in which GPs are operating and also people getting covid whilst living with a suppressed immune system etc. One example is my friend's ward which is normally a mental health crisis ward which has seen cases discharged where possible and others moved to another ward to make room for dementia patients that can't go back to care homes, however she knows that 3 of the discharged cases have gone on to commit suicide. However this is due to nhs capacity and not necessarily restrictions.

If we are talking just about the restrictions then I don't think it would reach that amount, however if it has then that is truly shocking.

It's nothing to do with whataboutery (except when other people say 'what about suicide' whenever there's a mention of the 70,000 Covid deaths).

Homelessness suicides are a genuinely very high number. It's a real issue when it comes to suicide. As is bereavement. And PTSD (very relevant, given that icu nurses were sectioned after the trauma of the first wave).

In any event you've missed my point. Which is it's good news that there's a newfound public concern about suicide. It means the government can see there's a public desire for something to be done tackle the major causes of it (housing issues, poverty, poorly funded mental health and social care services).

user1471562688

No, it makes my heart sing! It's about time people are starting to realise the destruction this nonsense is causing. Destruction to humanity and the human race for a virus with an IFR of just over 1% so good for them I say. Hope to see more and more of this! (Actually these have been going on for months and months but the media, for some reason, hasn't reported on it). hmm

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It’s no wonder there’s been a revolt... it’s been on the cards for weeks. There only so long people will sacrifice everything they’ve had for a virus that they don’t feel will affect them.

There’s two sides of this whole covid saga. People are suffering on both sides. The affects of covid are not just illness..... peoples livelihoods are being ripped apart.

They aren’t happy and they have a right to share their views

[quote Duemarch2021]@FamilyOfAliens

I don't mind if people agree or disagree, I was interested to know what people thought .. my personal view is that it's selfish and it makes me angry as I feel it's pointless..

I keep saying 'winning' because they expect goverment to allow them their freedom... so if they 'win' their freedom will they be happy then? .. when they see the repercussions of no lockdowns and no masks etc?[/quote]
So do you generally feel that protest is pointless? Or just about this issue?

@Tolleshunt

NZ are going to have to open their borders properly sometime.....

Doesn't need to be to the UK. They don't need us Brits. They'll be just fine with Australia and Asian Pacific countries. And then there's the vaccines.

What I want to know is why the media report in this and not the fact that a hospital in West Midlands is a crisis point and the average age of patients with covid on ventilators is now in their 40s

@Unsure33 They are. Ive seen it a few times in my Twitter feed today.