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Anybody else DISGUSTED at the anti lockdown protestors!?

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Duemarch2021 · 28/11/2020 22:43

It makes me so angry that people are protesting about lockdown... yes its frustrating but it's being done for a reason... to try and prevent as many deaths as there would be without a lockdown... they are selfishly spreading covid and yhe police have to put themselves out there and risk their lifes to stop the gatherings! 😠 What do they think will happen!? That government will say ok- ok you win... go wild, have fun and mingle lets just forget covid now!?.....Does this make anybody else absolutely fuming at the human race!!!?

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Areweallsheepnow82 · 02/12/2020 08:31

“Yeah ok. The world's governments, and scientific and medical experts (and the excess deaths figures) - the World Health Organisation, the British Medical Association, are all lying. The cash strapped NHS is splashing out on Long Covid treatment clinics across the UK for a lark. All as some kind of 'propaganda'. Ok then.”

The WHO has actually reversed its advice on lockdowns saying they do more harm than good. Many scientists/doctors have publicly criticised the unreliable recording of “Covid deaths” and the overreaction to the virus. The experts aren’t lying, but they do disagree.

The government is choosing to listen only to a select few, and to disregard WHO advice. Probably because they mistakenly think the public majority supports lockdown, as many of us who think it’s nuts feel we can’t openly admit this without being condemned as the far right /nutters/you name it.

I don’t think the government are doing this as a ploy to control us long term. But I do think erosion of our civil liberties is a very slippery slope.

Areweallsheepnow82 · 02/12/2020 09:00

“The logic is their contempt for the vulnerable.”

What about the vulnerable people with mental health suffering from being trapped alone for months on end? Or the vulnerable cancer sufferer whose illness doesn’t get spotted in time because it’s impossible to get a gp appointment. Or the vulnerable children who have both parents loose their jobs, sink into a depression and are now being fed by a food bank?

Do the sufferings of those vulnerable not matter as much as those in Covid risk groups? Those in risk groups are free to shield themselves, and could easily be supported by society to do this.

I say this as technically someone in a Covid vulnerable group (asthma). Although I can’t pretend I’m worried about Covid as I do think the threat of it has been massively exaggerated - just read the comments from nurses who have seen it first hand!!

Neron · 02/12/2020 13:50

Yeah ok. The world's governments, and scientific and medical experts (and the excess deaths figures) - the World Health Organisation, the British Medical Association, are all lying. The cash strapped NHS is splashing out on Long Covid treatment clinics across the UK for a lark. All as some kind of 'propaganda'. Ok then

Not sure about lying, but there is a difference between dying OF and WITH c19. The ONS website is good for looking at figures.

For example, since the start of the pandemic, there's been 63,852 c19 deaths registered. 57,184 of those were aged 65 and over. The data is based on c19 being mentioned on the death certificate. The ONS states they use the term 'involving c19' when referring to these deaths where c19 is mentioned anywhere on the death cert WHETHER AS AN UNDERLYING CAUSE OR NOT.

McSilkson · 02/12/2020 17:19

Yeah - there have been cases of people dying in road accidents, having tested positive for Covid-19, and their deaths being counted among Covid deaths.

Not to mention the misleading use of "cases", which, in reality, refers to anyone who has tested positive, regardless of whether they got ill or even had any symptoms! It is, therefore, essentially meaningless, and yet the mainstream media won't shut up about "cases", with their morbid death counters and such.

PrincessNutNuts · 02/12/2020 21:13

@McSilkson

Yeah - there have been cases of people dying in road accidents, having tested positive for Covid-19, and their deaths being counted among Covid deaths.

Not to mention the misleading use of "cases", which, in reality, refers to anyone who has tested positive, regardless of whether they got ill or even had any symptoms! It is, therefore, essentially meaningless, and yet the mainstream media won't shut up about "cases", with their morbid death counters and such.

Yeah?

Show us one.

A road accident classified as a covid death.

It shouldn't be hard, there haven't been many fatal road accidents this year.

tortoiseshell1985 · 02/12/2020 21:15

Public Health Wales...even after vaccine restrictions will still apply
Enough is enough
I'm joining the next protest

Whatnext2018 · 02/12/2020 21:30

@tortoiseshell1985 Why on earth would restrictions need to still apply if we’ve been vaccinated? 🤷🏻‍♀️It doesn’t make any sense, does it

FreshFreesias · 02/12/2020 21:38

People have the right to peacefully protest.
If you don’t like it OP, go and live in North Korea

SheepandCow · 02/12/2020 21:39

Deliberately putting other people's lives at risk isn't a peaceful act.

SheepandCow · 02/12/2020 21:40

And people can't go and live in North Korea. Their borders are shut.

tortoiseshell1985 · 02/12/2020 21:56

[quote Whatnext2018]@tortoiseshell1985 Why on earth would restrictions need to still apply if we’ve been vaccinated? 🤷🏻‍♀️It doesn’t make any sense, does it[/quote]
No idea. But it's there on the PHW q and a on the vaccine

Furries · 03/12/2020 02:09

@Jumbogirl - you still haven’t answered my question from the previous page re the probable government plants in the next protest. Please advise. Otherwise it’s so vague that it’s not much help - either for those who might be on the next protest or for those who might want to query it.

Areweallsheepnow82 · 03/12/2020 08:13

@PrincessNutNuts “Show us one. A road accident classified as a covid death”

Defending the government - Carrie is that you !? 😂

Telegraph article - “almost one third of COVID deaths in aug and July primarily caused by another condition”

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/18/almost-one-third-covid-deaths-july-august-primarily-caused-conditions/amp/

Sun article - same as above but confirms car crash victims could have been included in COVID death rates too.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/12714515/coronavirus-death-toll-overcounting/amp/

Yes, I realise I’ve linked to the Sun. This was based on a quick google search. Before some of you automatically sneer and dismiss it, consider that they’re quoting an oxford uni study.

The government and public health England have messed up so much in dealing with COVID. Boris is a known liar. How on earth can you trust the Covid death statistics they churn out?

Please just go upthread and read what actual frontline nurses have to say about Covid.

Hopoindown31 · 03/12/2020 08:30

This country has already shown that it is full of plenty of idiots who enjoying self-sabotage. I can't really bring myself to have anything other than resigned frustration at people who revel in their own ignorance and value it above the expertise of others.

Hopoindown31 · 03/12/2020 08:34

Telegraph article - “almost one third of COVID deaths in aug and July primarily caused by another condition”

No different to air pollution shortening the lives of people with COPD. They are always likely to die of their primary condition, but that doesn't mean that the air pollution hasn't significantly impacted the length of their lives or that we should use that as a justification not to do anything about air pollution.

Areweallsheepnow82 · 03/12/2020 08:54

Of course we should tackle air pollution!!

But should we lock down the entire country to do it? Stop people getting valuable lifesaving treatment, and cause many families to sink into debt?

Of course not, that would be wildly disproportionate.

sixthtimelucky · 03/12/2020 08:59

No I'm not DISGUSTED. I am in MILD AGREEMENT.

We have wrecked our country's economy, mental health, physical health over a virus that kills a teeny tiny per cent of people who catch it.

KittyMcV · 03/12/2020 09:48

@Hopoindown31

This country has already shown that it is full of plenty of idiots who enjoying self-sabotage. I can't really bring myself to have anything other than resigned frustration at people who revel in their own ignorance and value it above the expertise of others.
There are quite a number of experts who do not agree with the regulations. I listened to three of them discussing the stats last night and it was quite interesting. The night before I watched an interesting programme on iPlayer about the Spanish Flu which was clearly pro-regulations. It's always good to get a balanced view. I sit somewhere in the middle. But I am uncomfortable about people (as you have just done) talk about the experts in agreement with the measures being the 'only' experts and anybody who questions this being 'idiots'. I am uncomfortable with people who previously had impeccable credentials being sneered at by the mainstream media and dismissed. I am uncomfortable that three extremely respected consultants in NI wrote an open letter which was in the media one day being interviewed and then practically impossible to find the next. I am uncomfortable that they said that many medics felt the same way, but were afraid to speak out because they feared for their jobs. The Great Barrington Declaration was signed by thousands of experts who did not agree with the government, or SAGE. Indeed, I am starting to feel that most people who I know who are very well educated and have a scientific background fall into the mildly skeptical group. Anyway, at the bottom is the You Tube link to the interview. As I said, I think it is important not to fear looking at all sides. I think it's important to always question what you are being asked to adhere to in life, and what the implications are.

These are the participants:
Clare Craig, Consultant Pathologist. Craig was the Director of Government Office for Science and later Chief Science Policy Officer at the Royal Society. Craig was appointed Commander of the Order of the British Empire (CBE) in the 2006 Birthday Honours in recognition of her role in the development of Foresight, the UK government’s scientific-based strategic futures program. On 10 October 2018 it was announced that she had been pre-elected to serve as the next Provost of The Queen's College, Oxford from 2 August 2019; she is the first woman to hold the post.

Dr Jonathan Engler MBChB. He qualified in Medicine at Aberdeen University; after several years practising medicine he moved into a clinical research position at Boots Pharmaceuticals. Long career in providing software services to the clinical trial process.

Marie Oldfield, Chartered Scientist and chartered Statistician with the Royal Statistical Society, sits on the Professional Affairs Committee for the Royal Statistical Society and the executive board of the Institute of Science and Technology.

Neron · 03/12/2020 10:27

Another consideration regarding the vaccine - why have the government granted Pfizer a legal indemnity protecting the company from being sued in relation to any problems with the vaccine?

KittyMcV · 03/12/2020 10:49

I think that's standard practice with vaccines. Most vaccines carry a small risk (even though that risk is much lower than the risk of the disease) and I think pharmaceutical companies have been 'stung' in the past by people suing them. As far as I know, you can sue the government if there are any issues. It's not something I ever thought about until it's being publicised now. Wouldn't stop me from taking it though - but it should be a choice and not mandated or coerced.

Neron · 03/12/2020 11:01

Thank you @KittyMcV, that makes sense

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