Anybody else DISGUSTED at the anti lockdown protestors!?

[Duemarch2021]

It makes me so angry that people are protesting about lockdown... yes its frustrating but it's being done for a reason... to try and prevent as many deaths as there would be without a lockdown... they are selfishly spreading covid and yhe police have to put themselves out there and risk their lifes to stop the gatherings! 😠 What do they think will happen!? That government will say ok- ok you win... go wild, have fun and mingle lets just forget covid now!?.....Does this make anybody else absolutely fuming at the human race!!!?

Anyway to you all irrespective of your views. These are horrible times and one thing we all have in common is that we just want to be safe/well along with our loved ones.

It's how we achieve it that gets the emotions going but it's good to discuss so thanks.

@Whiterabbitsweets

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That's a lovely post @whiterabbitsweets, and I'm sorry for your losses.

I can't extend my well wishes to the posters with far right referencing usernames (who compare vaccines to the Holocaust).

That minority aside, yes, I wish posters and their families well, regardless of difference of opinions. We'd be boring clones if we all agreed on everything.

@dmrung
I haven't seen any support for the far right on the feminist board.

Good point too about the distraction.
I should imagine that many more people came through Heathrow airport in just one day (and straight onto public transport) than attended the protests.

I thought they were doing tests at airports now.

No. I understand where you are coming from and I personally wouldn't protest. However cos of lockdown my business has been ruined, I'm now up to my eyeballs in debt. My kids will have a rubbish Christmas as I'm broke and tbh ill be lucky if this only takes me the next 10 years to pay off.

I don't think they've brought it in yet.
Btw, the telegraph did an article last week suggesting ski holidays were still possible this Christmas.

I agree with you OP but there's just no point arguing with these idiots. Imagine having such poor critical thinking skills that you believe every video you see on YouTube (seems to be the case with at least one poster here). Of course anyone who counters their claims with actual facts is accused of being a sheep, which is ironic really.

Good on them. Like a hell of a lot of people,they've had enough of this shit.

You only need to look across the ocean at the righteous here in America who are protesting their right to catch and spread covid to any and all in their path. They don't believe in germs, masks, government control (except over women's bodies) or helping or protecting each other. Don't follow in their path - it's lined with dead bodies.

Good morning lovely mnetters on this thread - regarding protests: I believe the next protests in London are going to be hijacked by violent government "protesters" who want to stop freedom of speech and civil liberties. They will be government plants. This is what repressive governments do and repressive elements have crept into our government and governments around the world.

It's going to be tough on the streets at the next protests. We are looking at Britain turning into East Germany unless we demand our civil liberties back now.

NO to mandatory vaxxing. YES to peaceful protest. peace and love

@Sheepandcow Fuck the ski holidays this is important

We are talking about the right to peaceful protest and no to mandatory vaccination on this thread. Our body, our rights.

Fuck ski holidays. No one cares ok - well only some losers in the government who want to distract us from peaceful protests and our rights

No. I understand where you are coming from and I personally wouldn't protest. However cos of lockdown my business has been ruined, I'm now up to my eyeballs in debt

I felt really upset when I saw photo of a protester who'd lost his business and livelihood, being arrested. He was talking, not shouting, yet police took him. He was in tears, looked a broken man.

That image really summed up the heartlessness of this government, who couldn't care less about the financial and mental health fallout of all this, especially if you work in hospitality or leisure or dare to be self-employed. The 'Im alright jack' with a healthy dose of schadenfreude support this.

People keep rushing to reassure that protests are 'peaceful' when this government and erosion of rights is anything but peaceful. It's brutal. 'Peaceful' really shouldn't be used as a tool to imply you must be 'the right type' of protester. Peaceful or not, control is here to stay.

@SheepandCow

“It's nothing to do with trends. They identified themselves as far right when they started comparing (lifesaving) vaccines to the Holocaust.“

squiggle compares getting vaccines to being led into a concentration camp. As in both of these things are awful, let’s stop the vaccine happening.

Maybe not how I’d frame an argument but that’s not enough to decide she’s a neo nazi. Just because some far right figures agree with the conspiracy doesn’t mean everyone who believes it is far right. To be fair I haven’t looked at her link but basing this on her MN post.

This kind of thing bothers me because a close family member believes in these conspiracy theories too. He’s genuinely terrified at what will happen to us all as like squiggle he believes in a mass cull.

He’s wouldn’t hurt a fly, has never voted right of labour and is about as far from the far right as you can get.

It saddens me to think of him being sneered at, or worse, being called a Nazi because of his fears.

Squiggle was brave to come on and post views that a she knew a lot of people wouldn’t agree with. If you read her post again she sounds genuinely scared (squiggle sorry not trying to patronise).

IMO shutting down those who don’t agree with the mainstream view as racists or right wingers or nazis (with no proof of this) is really not ok.

@Areweallsheepnow82

I have a relative like this too and I get where you're coming from. However, while the person themselves might not be far right, they have effectively become brainwashed by a conspiracy driven by the far right. My relative is normally a sane, reasonable, empathetic person, but she has become utterly obsessed by this nonsense and sends all her contacts endless streams of insane videos. She won't agree to disagree and refuses to respect people's boundaries when they tell her to stop.

These conspiracies are toxic and they should absolutely be challenged wherever they appear, if only to try to prevent more vulnerable people sliding down the rabbit hole.

@Sakura7

It’s tough isn’t it. I’ve had to tell my relative to stop sending me conspiracy videos too. He’s even criticised me for getting my DD vaccinated! I hate to see him believing this.

I absolutely agree the ideas should be challenged. I don’t agree with just dismissing people with these views as “just right wing nazis” or something similar, without engaging in a debate.

As frustrating as it is to debate people who believe this stuff (and I know because I have at length) it is important to have the debate and not just automatically shut them down. I don’t agree is was right for MN to take down squiggles post.

If we don’t debate issues like this, people who believe them become more isolated and are possibly more likely to turn to extreme political parties, as those are the only places they can discuss their fears without being verbally abused.

I applaud the posters who actually gave logical counter arguments to squiggle rather than just calling her a nazi.

Maybe not how I’d frame an argument but that’s not enough to decide she’s a neo nazi.

She has 88 in her username and linked to a website that hosts neo nazis.

Either way she seems to be gone now.

It's kind of sad to see how polarised we have become (evidenced by the posts on this thread). One side calling the other side 'sheep' and the other relagating any skeptics as 'Nazis's' or 'vulnerable'. I'd say that (using the words of Jo Cox) “We are far more united and have far more in common with each other than things that divide us.” Let's look at the obvious thing here. Nobody on here has expressed a desire for people to die! We simply differ in our opinions on how to balance death of people from Covid with other things, such as the economy, death of people through the consequences of the regulations and also quality of life and liberty. Yes - personally I think the regulations have been inconsistent and that government policy will have tragic consequences. But would I like to be in charge? Hell, no. I have strong feelings about the efficacy of measures such as masks and I have strong feelings about how opposition to the measures is being silenced. However, I also have strong feelings about how everybody's rights should be respected - and that includes the rights of people who feel differently from me. So, I go along with the measures, because that's what others wish and I don't have all the answers. There are extremes on both sides - and the extremes seem to be connected to terror. A disproportionate terror of Covid on one side and a disproportionate terror of the government on the other. As with most things, the truth lies somewhere in between. The experts can't agree, and there are clinical papers and stats supporting just about everything. Gatherings of people for all manner of things are still happening, and protests about all manner of things are still happening. And I suspect that deep down, we're all glad we live in a society where we have the freedom to do that?

You actually make a good point here

@Noname99

Nope .... totally disagree. Fucking delighted that they are protesting against this ongoing nightmare. The govt have had 9 months to increase capacity of the NHS to cope with the increase. Instead of doing this, they’ve chosen to spend stupid amounts of money paying businesses not to open and people not to work and put the population under house arrest. I’ll be joining them and lobbing my MP to vote against this latest round of insanity

You make a valid point here

I have noticed the same as a previous poster that is is so sad to see the name calling and divide that has happened. One side calling others sheep and the other side calling people murderers etc.
I have to admit the name calling and nastiness does seem to come a lot more from the side calling people conspiracy, idiots, tin foil, selfish etc etc

One poster up thread said that there was no point in arguing with idiots and imagine having such poor critical thinking skills that you believe everything you watch on YouTube.
It’s the nasty comments like that that I’m seeing more from people on that side of the divide. Somebody with opposing views could quite easily flip the comment around.

Why can’t people accept that we all have different views but not be so nasty towards each other if someone’s view is different to yours.