Anybody else DISGUSTED at the anti lockdown protestors!?

[Duemarch2021]

It makes me so angry that people are protesting about lockdown... yes its frustrating but it's being done for a reason... to try and prevent as many deaths as there would be without a lockdown... they are selfishly spreading covid and yhe police have to put themselves out there and risk their lifes to stop the gatherings! 😠 What do they think will happen!? That government will say ok- ok you win... go wild, have fun and mingle lets just forget covid now!?.....Does this make anybody else absolutely fuming at the human race!!!?

@SheepandCow the first part of your user name sums you up perfectly.

@SheepandCow

I think there’s a trend to automatically dismiss those who don’t fit in with the mainstream views of society as the “far right”. It’s a lazy way of shutting down debate - and IMO makes those who used to vote left or mainstream feel alienated.

I personally don’t agree with squiggle’s views but in no way does she sound far right to me.

There’s such a climate of automatically shutting down debate and feigning offence at everything - it’s genuinely frightening.

who want the virus to fuck off quickly in order to regain their 'feeedom'

I think you've identified the crux of your misunderstanding there... it's not about wanting to get rid of the virus. That's not going to happen no matter what we do.

@cms1972

Okay, so then we do what we want..... and the virus spread rapidly, nhs workers all go off sick, die, no hospital beds, no ventilators in hospitals left...no staff working anywhere as everyone is sick.. business close anyway cos people have died or got very sick... i could go on and on.....virus keeps spreading on and on.... then what???

Op you are wasting your breath. Until one of these fuckwits or someone they care about is affected by covid then they'll continue to peddle their conspiracy theory nonsense.

@FreezeFloodlit

My point is, the quicker we have a grip on the virus, the quicker the protesters can go back to wearing no masks and going to visit friends/family... but gathering like that will do nothing.. other than possibly prolong it...

I think the issue here is... some people are looking deep into it and feel there is a conspiracy theory going on.. they feel cheated and lied to..... whilst other people see the government trying their best to save lifes, money, economy... (fucking it up accidently along the way) so we will never agree

@Duemarch2021 but this virus hasn't fucked off quickly as you so lovely out it.
Back in March, people complied, furlough was granted for 3/4 months... that's the time frame many believed in.
But now, 7 months later, lives shattered, no end in sight as well as a far lower death toll as anticipated ...
People have a right to protest and they should protest if they feel that this shit show cold be run differently.
Especially since lockdown is about slowing down the spread of the virus, not eliminating it. This thing has to run it's course, just like all the other viruses in the past.

@Jumpingjosephene21

Op you are wasting your breath. Until one of these fuckwits or someone they care about is affected by covid then they'll continue to peddle their conspiracy theory nonsense.

My elderly family members have had it. Everyone recovered. However my dad died due to complications of seasonal flu 2 years ago, so I'm fully aware of what a devastating illness looks like, thanks. And I stand by all my statements on this thread.

[quote Krampusnacht]@SheepandCow the first part of your user name sums you up perfectly. [/quote]
Thank you!

www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/animal-emotions/201905/why-sheep-matter-theyre-intelligent-emotional-and-unique

@SheepandCow you know that's not what I meant, but you keep on with your blinkered view of the world if it suits you.

@Areweallsheepnow82
It's nothing to do with trends. They identified themselves as far right when they started comparing (lifesaving) vaccines to the Holocaust.

And they're led by leading figures from the far right, like David Icke.

Just want to clarify one last time that im not 'disgusted' at protests and im not "disgusted" because I don't agree with the protestors views... im angry because the more people don't conform and do what they wish in regards to wearing masks and getting too close to eachother etc, the more worried I and other people feel about their vulnerable family members contracting it! Some people think it's all a load of shit but others are extremely anxious about it (like i) anyway... im done now... completely understand that everyone has different views... ive said mine... it was interesting to see people's different views

The elephant in the room of course is that these protests are likely to do very little for spreading the virus.

The largest contributors to virus spreading are care homes, schools and the workplace. Uncomfortable for those who are pro lockdown as you'd have to home school, stop visiting parents/loved ones and stop going to work. If we did all of this, locking down might work but none of you would want that.

This is why many are protesting as the uncomfortable truth is that the current plan isn't working but is making us all poorer.

And I don't think that's realistic because complete elimination is not a feasible option, even with a vaccine. You can drag it out and there may be benefit in doing so, but it's dragging it out, it's not getting rid of the issue.

So it comes down to balance and how many lives we should sacrifice on one side to save how many lives on the other side. And it's a valid debate because any course involves some people being sacrificed and some people being saved - and that's before you start considering the balance between quality and quantity of life. There is no perfect answer where everyone is saved and no one suffers.

No, we probably won't agree. But you are not engaging with the other side of the argument in an honest way if you think it's about protesting against the virus or demanding that the virus goes away or something stupid like that.

That's a good point @whiterabbitsweets
Perhaps that explains the disproportionate publicity these protests have received? To detract? These maskless non socially distanced protests are hardly well supported. They're a small minority.

However, whilst not on the same level as schools they'll still spread it. Presumably many travelled by public transport?

@whiterabbitsweets Totally agree. I should think those with no children are even more fed up with the charade.

@FreezeFloodlit

I didn't meen that we personally won't agree with eachother, I meant everybody on this thread who have opposing views won't see eachothers points as this 'argument' is clearly subjective.. for example, you say it's about letting some people die and finding the right balance between how many people die and business oosing money etc.. whereas my view is that human life is more important than economy (to me). As humans we will all have different priorities and mine is my family whom are largly vulnerable. I don't have a large mortgage to pay and am quite skilled so feel I'd easily find a job if my company was to go into liquidation and if not, I'd deal with that somehow but at least I'd have my family and friends alive... other people, with their own businesses, young, healthy families will have other priorities.... I don't at all believe that protestors are protesting to the virus to go away! I understand what they are protesting about but am simply saying that i feel it's selfish of them to gather the way that they are as even though they dont believe the virus poses as excessive risk, some of us do and it matters alot to some of us that people adhere to the rules in order to minimise the spread.. anyway.. done now.. thanks for your opinion

[quote 480Widdio]@squiggle88,most of the adverse reactions are going to be sore arms.All adverse reactions to vaccines are recorded if possible,so of course they need a new software programme,this is a new vaccine!Nothing more sinister is going on,my daughter has done a lot of work on Covid and the vaccine and it is safe.

Feel sorry for you if you actually believe all that tosh you have written,even more sorry that there could be people you are influencing to not have the vaccine.People whose life it could save.Shame on you.[/quote]
Their username has an 88 in it and she linked to a website that shows Neo-Nazi videos.

Nope. I’m with the protesters.

No, it's human lives on both sides. Lockdown measures cause some people to die sooner in order to let some other people live longer. Same for loosening restrictions.

Of course, I totally agree with you that a lot of it is subjective. I think that almost everyone is selfish and will ultimately come down on the 'side' that they perceive to be least detrimental to themselves and the people they most care about. Though I don't personally want to think of it as sides, I'd rather everyone acknowledged the sacrifices that have to be made somewhere and we had a sincere conversation about whether the balance is wrong or at what point it would be wrong. But of course when people feel their own lives and wellbeing or the lives and wellbeing of their loved ones are under threat tempers understandably run high.

@FreezeFloodlit

Absolutely.. Think that's what it boils down to in the end

@SheepandCow

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but my feeling is that the government want us all to demonise each other as it detracts from their failings.

Don't get me wrong. I wouldn't go out without a mask and not socially distance but understand why some might, given the circumstances. I'm sure these protestors may well spread the virus but my feeling is that it's a drop in the ocean compared to everything else.

I'm sure we all have shocking experiences of schools at the moment and as we know, even colds sweep through schools at alarming speeds. Some schools may handle it better but a lot just can't manage social distancing or personal hygiene.

Workplaces are hugely variable too according to friends and are also breeding grounds irrespective of distanced desks or other measures.

My daughter works in a nursing home, which is still struggling. It seems many are no different even after the disaster earlier this year.

These are the primary vehicles for spreading but we all know just how badly each have been managed by the government. None received consistent or timely guidance if you remember so is no wonder it's going wrong.

Shifting our focus on a small group of protestors is really just deflection. Trouble is, the whole thing is so emotive.

I've lost a good friend this year to covid and my dad died from SARS years ago. I fully understand the need to control the virus but this isn't it and browbeating protestors for showing their dissatisfaction at the government is nothing compared to the damage they're doing.

All three of these are being allowed to carry on

I personally feel the balance is wrong and that we need to get back to a more holistic approach to public health that gives more weight to all the hundreds of other issues that affect health, wellbeing and longevity that aren't COVID. I can no longer support these measures that I see exacerbating inequality and believe will continue to cause significant long term increases in poverty, which is the number one factor that harms public health the most. Ultimately I think the price will be proven too high and I think it's a myopic short term and unrealistic approach we're taking right now.

But, hand on heart, I can't say that I'd definitely feel the same if I believed myself or a close loved one to be at high risk from COVID, so I do empathise with your perspective.

I'm not right wing and I don't believe myself to be crazy or stupid or a conspiracy theorist but everything seems to get so polarised these days.

@user1471562688 have you watched the social dilemma?