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To not let my 16 year old have his phone in his room at night?

187 replies

Hyperbolistic · 17/11/2020 11:38

Just discovered my DS has been hiding an old phone in his room to use after we've taken his phone at bedtime. We've taken it away now but he's not happy and claims his friends have theirs. I feel a bit torn as obviously he's 16 and not a baby, but I also want him to get enough sleep. AIBU to not let him have it?

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FortunesFave · 17/11/2020 20:54

WeWillMeet I can! They're the kids who always want to stay at ours on weekends. DD has a few as mates and they all resent their parents deeply.

BigSandyBalls2015 · 17/11/2020 20:55

Depends on the child. I made my DDs keep tech downstairs at night until after GCSEs as I know one of them wouldn’t have achieved a lot. They also used to read in bed without tech and I was keen to keep that going ... left them to it after GCSEs and one completely messed up her A levels as she stayed awake until 3/4 am every night and was exhausted.

123sunshine · 17/11/2020 20:59

It’s all down to the individual child. I stopped confiscating phones at night from age 11 - 12. Currently my 14 year self regulates and doesn’t cause a problem with her phone. My 15 year old however since earlier in the year got a girlfriend and became obsessed and she is very demanding of his attention, the phone bills showed hundreds/thousands of messages throughout the night and hours and hours of telephone calls throughout the night some nights getting only a couple of hours sleep...she has also encouraged him to escape out the house whilst we are sleeping to go to her aid (she self harms) currently his phone is taken off of him every night so that he is uncontactable by her, I hate doing it and he’s cross with me but the odd night I’ve forgotten he’s been back on the phone to the girlfriend all night. At 15 I wish I wasn’t having to do this, but it’s such an important year with GCSE’s that I currently have no option. Do what works for you and your child as an individual.

Feministicon · 17/11/2020 21:02

@123sunshine

It’s all down to the individual child. I stopped confiscating phones at night from age 11 - 12. Currently my 14 year self regulates and doesn’t cause a problem with her phone. My 15 year old however since earlier in the year got a girlfriend and became obsessed and she is very demanding of his attention, the phone bills showed hundreds/thousands of messages throughout the night and hours and hours of telephone calls throughout the night some nights getting only a couple of hours sleep...she has also encouraged him to escape out the house whilst we are sleeping to go to her aid (she self harms) currently his phone is taken off of him every night so that he is uncontactable by her, I hate doing it and he’s cross with me but the odd night I’ve forgotten he’s been back on the phone to the girlfriend all night. At 15 I wish I wasn’t having to do this, but it’s such an important year with GCSE’s that I currently have no option. Do what works for you and your child as an individual.
Agree entirely 👌
KrisKringlesLeftNostril · 17/11/2020 21:16

I'm surprised people leave phones to charge at night. I am terrified of the fire risk!
Anyway, let him not have enough sleep and be tired. He'll soon learn to self regulate.

BiBabbles · 17/11/2020 21:51

Just out of interest, do all the parents of the 16 plus children who can't have their phone in their room at night have an app on your phone to track your child's every move?

No. He has google family link on his phone which we use to discuss his screen time (I don't really check it unless I notice a significant uptick and he can now remove it at will & chooses not to), but I've never set up the locator function on his or his siblings' phones.

Though for me, it's less "can't" and more "he's never tried to do so, probably because from 11 he's put his phone in a certain place when not using it". His phone was sitting next to his father's phone while they both play video games together this evening before he went to bed. It sits there a lot. He likes some games on it and to use it for music while working, but it's never been something I've needed to confiscate (though in a situation like 123sunshine has I would). He has other things to do in his room that don't involve screens.

How are you going to cope in two years when they are legally adults and can do as they please?

I don't discuss adulthood with him in the manner of 'do as you please', that's not how I view it. I discuss in benefits, risks, responsibilities & working together, in how I can't stop him (I've helped him with his physical training, I haven't been able to physically stop him since he was 12), but his choices have impact. As he shared a room with a sibling, he can't really do as he pleases in there. As he shares a house with the rest of us, he has to mindful of the rest of us too. As he has goals, he needs to do things in line with them and if he needs help with that, that I can do, but I can't save him if he doesn't.

More to the point how are your kids ever going to grow up with their parents behaving like this?

I view growing up as a gradual process to scaffold as suits the individual child rather than a 'you're old enough, figure it out'. I had the latter especially around computers and it sucked. I ended up in a lot of risky situations, I felt like I couldn't get any support because I was told I should be able to handle it, that we kids knew this tech better anyways.

I took a different approach with mine in being up front that tech has its challenges to figure out and we'll do it step by step, just like with the outside world where we started with free access to the park over the road, then when that was fine we'd move to the larger park down the road and so on, backtracking if issues happened. We've had a few with my oldest, but no where near to the same extent I had and he worked with us to prevent things happening again.

He's managed college from 15 with us working together to make a study plan, he manages his bank account with us having helped him set up apps and systems to organize his money, he manages to put together a fitness plan every quarter with some group brainstorming, and he manages to put his phone down regularly which to me doesn't seem to be the juvenile option.

Feministicon · 17/11/2020 21:53

@KrisKringlesLeftNostril

I'm surprised people leave phones to charge at night. I am terrified of the fire risk! Anyway, let him not have enough sleep and be tired. He'll soon learn to self regulate.
I think as long as it’s the charger that came with the phone and no fraying it’s pretty safe but now you’ve given me another worry ShockGrin
Mother2princess · 17/11/2020 21:57

Hes 16 thats the thing

jennie0412 · 17/11/2020 21:58

What are your reasons for not allowing it?

Fcuk38 · 17/11/2020 22:00

16 doing GCSEs then no.
16 at college post gcse then it’s up to them. I just think after 16 they have to take responsibility and if there up all night and can’t get up in morning then they face the consequences of shit exam results etc.

Goosefoot · 17/11/2020 22:03

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'Love all the posts about him self-regulating. Hiding a secret phone is hardly that, is it?'

Yes that's the point. You confiscate things they get sneaky and lie, as demonstrated. Obviously we have to put a foot down with things like alcohol and drugs at that age but removing phones at bedtime is what you do with a young teen not a 16year old.

There's increasing evidence that a phone is a lot like drugs or alcohol.

Personally I have no issue with a 16 year old having a wine or beer with supper, with their parents, but no way they are taking it to their room at night.

Same with the phone. Before bed usage is not only bad for sleep for anyone of any age, using it late at night and needing it in a room at that hour is already a sign of inability to regulate. This kid doesn't seem to have been saying he wanted it to use as an alarm or for music, even.

AlexaShutUp · 17/11/2020 22:14

I’m wondering how many of the “YABU” voters have/had a 16 year old.

No. I've never had a 16yo, but I do have a 15yo and I work with lots of other teenagers aged 16-18. From what I've observed, overly controlling parents do not actually manage to protect their kids as much as they might hope, they just push the kids into doing things more secretively.

ragged · 17/11/2020 22:25

He was texting at 1am, no wonder he was wrecked.

Even now I can stay awake until 2am if I have a book I like reading.
Where's the MN thread about no books allowed in the bedroom...
or maybe no electricity should be allowed.

Alicatz66 · 17/11/2020 22:48

I'm shocked that people take phones off 16 and 17 year olds .. what will you do when they go to Uni ? ... ( very far away probably) .. it's very controlling .

MeringueCloud · 17/11/2020 22:53

What do people actually mean when they say it's controlling?

Catmaiden · 17/11/2020 22:56

At 16 my DD (diagnosed with ASD at 17) simply could not self regulate. As a responsible parent, I had to do it for her, while giving her the opportunity to learn how to do it herself.
It was a horrific time for all of us, but we slowly got there.
Now, aged 22, she is at Uni and I have no control (nor would I want to)
I have to hope I gave her enough tools to self regulate, despite (or in addition to) her ASD.

AlexaShutUp · 17/11/2020 22:57

What do people actually mean when they say it's controlling?

What I mean by controlling is when parents attempt to make decisions on behalf of their children which the children should realistically be able to make for themselves - even if that means getting it wrong sometimes.

MeringueCloud · 17/11/2020 23:04

@AlexaShutUp

What do people actually mean when they say it's controlling?

What I mean by controlling is when parents attempt to make decisions on behalf of their children which the children should realistically be able to make for themselves - even if that means getting it wrong sometimes.

That makes sense.
AlexaShutUp · 17/11/2020 23:16

That makes sense.

Thank you. Smile

I work with some pretty troubled teenagers who make some pretty bad decisions. What I have seen over and over, though, is that they respond well to being treated with respect and trusted with responsibility. The more you tell them that they can't do something, the more they want to do it! Whereas if you reason with them and respectfully convey why it's in their best interests to do something or not do something, you might at least have a fighting chance of persuading them...sometimes!

Even when they make the wrong choices, I think the process of making and owning their decisions is usually at least as important as the outcomes. They do learn, if they are given a chance - and they learn most when they screw up, so we don't necessarily do them any favours by trying to shield them from all mistakes. Sometimes, you have to learn stuff the hard way in order to really get it.

girlofthenorth · 17/11/2020 23:38

Up till 15 then I just figured my DD was going to have to learn to work it out for herself in some way . She went through a hard time working out she couldn't stay up chatting on her phone and feel ok the next day ..now she's 16 and she is more sensible than me...I'm the one staying up on MN whilst she is asleep with her phone switched off Confused

Goosefoot · 17/11/2020 23:38

@CremeEggThief

YANBU if he'll comply and accepts he needs adult support with setting limits.

My DS physically stopped me from taking his phone when he was 14.I took it a couple of times and he followed me out of the room in a rage and pinned me against the wall and grabbed my arms roughly, and as a single parent without back-up, and as he was already strong and over 6 foot tall back then, there wasn't much I could do apart from accept the situation.

That's seems like a pretty good sign though that he needs better limits!
CtrlU · 17/11/2020 23:41

I don’t have a 16 year old but honestly when my children reach that age I don’t think I would bother if they had their phone in their room at night.

I feel at 16- although he isn’t an adult, he isn’t a child either.

BangersAndMush · 17/11/2020 23:44

I think it depends how they're getting on. If something is interfering with their school work or whatever then it's appropriate for you to intervene and put in boundaries.

My main concern would be that he's lied, but I'm assuming that you dealt with that when you discovered his phone.

NoToMisogyny · 17/11/2020 23:47

My 16yr old daughter leaves her phone downstairs every night. She’s more than happy to do it and says she would keep it out of her bedroom even if she moved out.

Why is that not also ‘self-regulation’? I can hear the phone pinging into the early hours as friends keep Snapchatting or whatever. These kids come into school absolutely wrecked.

Goosefoot · 17/11/2020 23:48

@AlexaShutUp

That makes sense.

Thank you. Smile

I work with some pretty troubled teenagers who make some pretty bad decisions. What I have seen over and over, though, is that they respond well to being treated with respect and trusted with responsibility. The more you tell them that they can't do something, the more they want to do it! Whereas if you reason with them and respectfully convey why it's in their best interests to do something or not do something, you might at least have a fighting chance of persuading them...sometimes!

Even when they make the wrong choices, I think the process of making and owning their decisions is usually at least as important as the outcomes. They do learn, if they are given a chance - and they learn most when they screw up, so we don't necessarily do them any favours by trying to shield them from all mistakes. Sometimes, you have to learn stuff the hard way in order to really get it.

This is completely true with a certain number of things.

Its not so true with others.

I think the main reason some parents consider this different is not because they are controlling, but because they don't see sm and gaming as very similar to reading a book, driving a car, or a lot of other things.

There is a lot of work in addictions research around internet addiction and what it suggests is that many of the things that people spend time doing there are much more comparable to a kid who stays up on a gambling website to all hours because he can't stop playing. That's not some conspiracy theory, both multi-player gaming and sm are designed with the exact same principles that are meant to create the right combination of dopamine responses to create an intense addiction in a lot of people. (Porn has a similar effect as well, and the average age a kid first sees porn online is 11.)

Not many people think it is ok to let a 16 year old loose in a casino in order to learn to self-regulate, or gie a 16 year old unfettered access to booze for the same purpose. We all know that even at 16 there is some really important brain development going on in the frontal lobe that makes that particular kind of self-control difficult, and which can also be impacted long term by exposure to those kinds of substances.