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Donald has barricaded himself in the WH and we have Georgia on our minds. (Trump thread #113)

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 11/11/2020 09:31

Will Donald pardon the turkeys or will the turkeys pardon Donald?

Previous thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4072846-He-can-thcream-and-thcream-until-he-s-sick-but-the-US-has-taken-its-future-back-Trump-thread-112?watched=1&msgid=101645744#101645744

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anon444877 · 11/11/2020 13:51

No most of the ACA looks to be safe, thankfully. I received a terrifying email from a Christian mum blogger I subscribe to saying the evil one was working in the world to steal the presidency...terrifying times!

AcrossthePond55 · 11/11/2020 13:51

I agree with the WaPo article above. The GOP doesn't think there was fraud, they don't think Scrotus 'won'. It's all about demonizing the Dems and de-legitimizing the Biden presidency and it's work and future accomplishments. It's about keeping the 'momentum' going through the GA runoffs and then the mid-terms in 2022. After all, Scrotus started his campaign tours for reelection in 2017, the day after his inauguration.

I'm with Joe, we just have to grit our teeth, continue our work, and bear the transition period with as much dignity as possible. I've oft quoted the old adage "The dog barks but the caravan passes on", but in this case I'm changing it to "The ass brays but the caravan passes on".

Speaking of caravans, still nary a flag waving 'Trump Truck' to be seen in my area of No Cal nor any large crowds/rallies (unlike the very large protest rallies immediately after Scrotus' election). Any of our other US posters seeing much of anything?

Copperas · 11/11/2020 13:53

@pinkearedcow - you asked a while back who the electors are. Each state takes its own results, certifies them to their own 'electors' - who are the people who jointly form the electoral college. It is the electoral college of the US that actually elects the president and they do not have to vote the way their state did - they can be 'faithless electors'. In the last election, 2 voted against Trump though their states had voted Republican, because they thought Trump was not fit to be president.
That's a very bald overview because I realise that I don't actually know WHO they are.
I think giving them some leeway on how they vote dates from the 18th century, when travel took longer and they could not get in immediate touch with their own states if they had gone to Washington and something significant happened.

AcrossthePond55 · 11/11/2020 13:54

Oh, and an interesting take on 'Scrotus as Antichrist'. Many evangelicals believe he IS the Antichrist and hail him as such. They believe it mean the 2nd Coming is nigh and they are more than anxious for the Rapture. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Roussette · 11/11/2020 13:54

Totally agree with echobelly and what the Presidency means to him.

I've mentioned this before, but I had a sinking feeling after seeing him with '45' embroidered on his shirt cuffs straight after the inauguration. I thought... this is a man who likes the idea of being King/President, let's see if he does the job.
Then it all got worse and worse
Him having to have the intel reports put into brief bullet points or he wouldn't read them. Then not reading them at all
Aides having to put his name into anything to try and grab his attention so he would read reports
His short temper, his outbursts with staff. His firing by tweet or getting others to do it.
His shouting at someone for coughing and telling them to get out the room.

He knew he was incapable of doing the job. So he hit out. All these examples don't even touch on his policies, rhetoric or major decisions.
Just a nasty narcisstic man child allowed to be the most important person in the free world.
Scary isn't it... there's a lot of healing to be done.

Roussette · 11/11/2020 13:56

Across being completely ignorant, I thought it meant that the Antichrist was an awful thing, I can now see it means he is the precursor for something wonderful in some eyes.

HoldMyLobster · 11/11/2020 13:58

@pinkearedcow

Hello there, I wondered if someone could explain more about the possibility that has been mentioned about "electors not voting the way their state did?" I know this is unlikely, but I don't quite understand who the "electors" are? Do they vote on behalf of the whole state (apologies for my ignorance)?

Thanks!

More about electors here www.politico.com/story/2016/12/electoral-college-electors-232791

This year Maine is represented by the youngest electoral college presidential elector ever - he's 18, and I've known him since he was 14 and at school with one of my kids.

Most of our electors are state legislature members, or active in the party and local politics eg chairman of board of selectman, state committee members, etc.

HoldMyLobster · 11/11/2020 14:01

Oh, in Maine it's a misdemeanour for a presidential elector to vote against their candidate. One of them was going to do it in 2016 but changed his mind when he realised it was a misdemeanour. It would not have made a difference to the overall result.

Apileofballyhoo · 11/11/2020 14:05

@anon444877

No most of the ACA looks to be safe, thankfully. I received a terrifying email from a Christian mum blogger I subscribe to saying the evil one was working in the world to steal the presidency...terrifying times!
Send her that antichrist article Rousseau posted.
TheNorthWestPawsage · 11/11/2020 14:05

Pompeo is an anti-Christ, 2nd coming believer. (And he has presidential ambitions...)

Are doomsday prophesies influencing decisions in the Trump administration — or at least how they get explained?

The answer seems to be a clear yes. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, a longtime evangelical, drew upon the Book of Revelations to defend the Trump administration’s drone-strike assassination of Iranian Maj. Gen. Qasem Soleimani, and he has regularly referenced the “rapture” to defend American support of Israel, among other positions. He is just one of the top White House officials, along with Vice President Pence, to attend an End Times Bible study group, which informs the domestic and foreign policy thinking of attendees.
www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/01/28/apocalyptic-ideas-influencing-pence-pompeo-could-also-power-left/?outputType=amp

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Copperas · 11/11/2020 14:07

@HoldMyLobster - that's a fascinating article on the electoral college. Thank you

TheNorthWestPawsage · 11/11/2020 14:13

Interesting assessment.

Biden-voting counties equal 70% of America’s economy. What does this mean for the nation’s political-economic divide?
www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2020/11/09/biden-voting-counties-equal-70-of-americas-economy-what-does-this-mean-for-the-nations-political-economic-divide/

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CaveMum · 11/11/2020 14:18

There’s a great Twitter account that tweets West Wing Gifs/Memes.

Saw this one today and thought it highly appropriate for a certain someone currently barricaded in on Pennsylvania Avenue.

twitter.com/twwgifs/status/1326526571994370048?s=21

Donald has barricaded himself in the WH and we have Georgia on our minds. (Trump thread #113)
Apileofballyhoo · 11/11/2020 14:29

Bill Barr has a certain religious outlook too.

How does Barr square such conduct with his identification of “moral relativism” as the great enemy of society, the theme of his speech at Notre Dame? The answer illuminates the deep religious structure of Barr’s ideology. The term is a reaction against the liberalizing tendencies of Vatican II in the 1960s. It has a rhetorical advantage—by being against “moral relativism,” one does not have to say that one is in favor of moral absolutism. But its primary purpose is to delegitimize the republican view of democracy as an arena that is neutral with regard to religious identity and belief. It divides citizens into the proper ones who recognize the authority of divinely inspired absolutes (prohibitions on abortion or same-sex marriage, for example) and the improper ones who do not.

Barr’s core belief, shared by Vice President Mike Pence and by the wider evangelical brand of religious authoritarianism, is that the entire American polity is possible only if its citizens are not just religious believers but believers in an absolutist “transcendent moral order which flows from God’s eternal law.” Barr claims that the framers of the Constitution believed that

"free government was only suitable and sustainable for a religious people—a people who recognized that there was a transcendent moral order antecedent to both the state and man-made law and who had the discipline to control themselves according to those enduring principles."

This “religious people” is, in Barr’s explication, variously “Christian” or “Judeo-Christian.” It does not include members of other faiths, let alone atheists or agnostics. Just as importantly, it does not include those guilty of what Barr openly calls in that speech “apostasy.” Apostates include, for example, the 77 percent of Democratic and Democratic-leaning Catholic adults who think abortion should be legal in all or most cases, and who have therefore committed the mortal sin of moral relativism. Among them is the man who might become only the second Catholic president in US history, Joe Biden, and the voters who might make him so.

All of these people are not, in Barr’s view, merely misguided. Their indiscipline condemns them to an exterior darkness, beyond the realm of the authentic citizenship of the holy elect. Their very existence undermines the true nature of the United States. Since “free government” is not “suitable [or] sustainable” for those who do not accept the divine law as interpreted by conservative Christians like Barr, it can exist only in their absence. The logic is not just that their votes are outside the rightful order of the American state but that they are the malign means to undermine it. To suppress those votes would be to uphold the authority not just of Donald Trump, but of God.

www.nybooks.com/articles/2020/11/05/enabler-in-chief/

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 11/11/2020 14:36

Thanks for the new thread.

I see the name "Eric Prince", and I assume that something shady will be going on.

That he is involved in Project Veritas tells me all I need to know about it. Bargepole time!

lionheart · 11/11/2020 14:46

Thank you for a brand new thread. Let's hope the further we get from the vortex, the clearer things will become.

BruceAndNosh · 11/11/2020 14:49

@Apileofballyhoo. Strewth! Americans who condemn ISIS as religious nut jobs should look closer to home.
I do worry about extremists who talk about doing God's work. Some think that any method (or vessel like Trump) is acceptable to achieve their aim. Trump has never been remotely religious (except when it suits him) so i find it amazing that he is so adored by far right Christian fundamentalists. He hardly lives his life by the teaching of Jesus

pinkearedcow · 11/11/2020 14:53

Thanks Copperas and HoldMyLobster. This is a very informative thread!

Roussette · 11/11/2020 15:01

I can't imagine Trump has a religious bone in his body. He doesn't go to church, and obviously just pretends he is for the sake of his base

Knowing all this, seeing this clip explains a lot. What bluster, lies and nonsense! Favourite verse from the bible... obviously can't say because he doesn't know any!

anon444877 · 11/11/2020 15:06

I don't get it either - what @Apileofballyhoo says does seem to be how this group thinks but I can't square that with the immigration separating of families and the Pope couldn't either!

PerkingFaintly · 11/11/2020 15:07

Well indeed.

I remember someone claiming on MN a few years ago that US "Christian" religious extremism was limited to a few nutters in Westboro Baptist Church, and was therefore not at all dangerous.

I thought at the time, "If only that were true!"

MoonJelly · 11/11/2020 15:22

Fascinating that, in that clip, Trump doesn't even seem to know what is the difference between the Old and New Testaments.

MoonJelly · 11/11/2020 15:27

I was hearing on an Americast podcast about how litigation has always been Trump's go-to weapon whenever he's having trouble getting what he wants, and how he has issued literally thousands of claims. The vast majority are like his current burst of litigation - he starts them off to intimidate the other side, cause delay and expense, and obfuscate, and he never waits to see if can find any facts to back up what he is claiming.

In the UK we have a system for preventing vexatious litigants from starting actions designed purely to harass people and cause trouble Sounds like the US needs the same process.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 11/11/2020 15:52

Georgians not saving themselves. (Unfortunately they aren’t saving anyone)

This is what the “Save Our Majority” rally looks like. Speaking before this crowd in a windowless room, Sens. @marcorubio @KLoeffler. Approx 1/3rd to 1/2 of the room is maskless, as Georgia #COVID19 infections enter a red zone.

My entire @CNN team has physically left this indoor rally. It’s not safe given the #Covid19 numbers in Georgia. Again, this is the “Save our Majority” rally in Cobb County
twitter.com/kyunglahcnn/status/1326549352907591681?s=21

Donald has barricaded himself in the WH and we have Georgia on our minds. (Trump thread #113)
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TheNorthWestPawsage · 11/11/2020 15:56

More covid dereliction.

www.grandforksherald.com/newsmd/coronavirus/6753876-With-North-Dakota-hospitals-at-100-capacity-Burgum-announces-COVID-positive-nurses-can-stay-at-work

100% ICU capacity reached in North Dakota hospitals. ND Governor Burgum announces COVID-positive nurses can stay at work—asymptomatic nurses to continue working in hospitals' #COVID19 units. Seen this before in Belgium & Lombardy Italy 🇮🇹. This is v bad.

El Paso may have to soon do the same thing. They are underwater in staffing shortages now too.
twitter.com/drericding/status/1326493016408920064?s=21

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