Donald has barricaded himself in the WH and we have Georgia on our minds. (Trump thread #113)

[TheNorthWestPawsage]

Will Donald pardon the turkeys or will the turkeys pardon Donald?

Previous thread:
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That picture, Rousette!

That's astounding for any large committee – never mind the women's health caucus to discuss health and maternity rights.

I mean, how do you round up that many people, on any work topic, in the US in c2020, and find yourself with only white men? Surely that's really hard to do? (Unless it's something specialist about male health or similar.)

I was just reading a very interesting (if disappointing) article about how the Dems might not seek justice re Trump misdemeanours in the interests of American unity.

Worth noting what happened (or didn't happen) to Gerald Ford after he pardoned Nixon.

'If the whole Trump thing has shown us anything, it's that the US is an incredibly backward country culturally, and that's been a surprise.'

Really? I've never thought of America as progressive. Many people at one time did not even own a passport (not sure if that's still the case). To me, it seems insular and very conservative.

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Perking Just to clarify, because I don't want to mislead, the pic is from 2018 but it set the tone of the Trump administration.

Just so depressing. Nothing changed. They didn't take the criticism of it on board, they just carried on like that. How women voted for Trump I just do not know. It's totally beyond me.

@SugarbabyMilly

'If the whole Trump thing has shown us anything, it's that the US is an incredibly backward country culturally, and that's been a surprise.'

Really? I've never thought of America as progressive. Many people at one time did not even own a passport (not sure if that's still the case). To me, it seems insular and very conservative.

I don't think I've ever thought of the US as progressive as such, just not as backward as it apparently is. I suppose I thought of it as on a par with the UK in terms of culture and attitudes to women, etc. I've visited the US twice before, but not sure I ever want to go again.

SugarbabyMilly
I've never thought of America as progressive. Many people at one time did not even own a passport (not sure if that's still the case).

In 2017, 21.4 million passports were issued in the U.S., the highest number ever recorded. In 1997, 15 percent of Americans possessed a passport at all, but it rose after 9/11 (in 2004, I think) because the law changed to require a passport for travel to Canada, Mexico, Central and South America, the Caribbean, and Bermuda -- or rather, to get back into the USA from any of those places. Huffpost claims there are now 301 million American passports held.

According to the BBC in 2018, 42% of people in the US have a passport, it's 76% in Britain

@SugarbabyMilly

The thing I don't understand is, if the reason he doesn't want to lose is to protect him and his family from indictments, won't they all just be there waiting for them at the end of the next 4 years? Plus more probably by then!

IIRC it has to do with the Statute of Limitations, which is 'normally' seven years in most situations. I think that the Statute would run out on most of the allegations sometime during what would have been his second term.

The USA is very behind and insular in many strange ways.
They do not have Chip and Pin cards.
I remember stores with no out of state checks on the door until the 90's
The tipping culture is a mass tax evasion scheme by business but gets defended by those who lose most from it.
Most US news is crap and insular - the US is huge and does not need to pay attention to the rest of the world so a lot of Americans o not.
A lot of the schooling is dire US Universities are top notch because they import talent

Most visitors do not go to the real America
they go to the Tourist spots.
Crossing the tracks can be a revelation.

I see Rudi G has now gone orange of face.

How can Westchester County NY still have only counted 56% of their votes
what a shambles

abcnews.go.com/Politics/2020-new-york-election-results/story?id=73572692
HUGE amounts of counting still to do in the Empire state
can you imagine how American pundits would behave if any other country took this long just to count votes [wow]

@ListeningQuietly

How can Westchester County NY still have only counted 56% of their votes what a shambles

You have to validate register-on-the-day votes and also remove mail in votes of people who then turned up.

Also what other ballots were being held there ?

ListeningQuietly I wonder how much they are being hampered by counters not being able to work due to self-isolating or being ill? It must be adding to the difficulties.

Even relatively well-travelled Americans can be a bit hazy about the rest of the world. I have explained GB vs UK vs England to my (knowledgable) in-laws numerous times. They still refer to England when they’re actually asking about the U.K. and have limited understanding of the EU. The traditional US TV networks (IMO) report very little world news and what they do include is often quite superficial. Although for some reason, my DBIL in NY is aware of and reads the Daily Fail sidebar of shame.

Oh no, have we now gone the way of generalisations about the US? And I was enjoying these threads so much.

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

SugarbabyMilly I've never thought of America as progressive. Many people at one time did not even own a passport (not sure if that's still the case).

In 2017, 21.4 million passports were issued in the U.S., the highest number ever recorded. In 1997, 15 percent of Americans possessed a passport at all, but it rose after 9/11 (in 2004, I think) because the law changed to require a passport for travel to Canada, Mexico, Central and South America, the Caribbean, and Bermuda -- or rather, to get back into the USA from any of those places. Huffpost claims there are now 301 million American passports held.

That total seems too high if 2017 was the highest ever number of passports at 21m - they only last for 10 years.

gwenneh
I love the USA but its worth being VERY aware that Disney is not the USA, and the multiple TV shows are no more the USA than Downton and The Crown are the USA

What has happened with Trump should not have been a surprise
if people had bothered to be more than superficial in their treatment of the US and its people and politics.

It cuts both ways
Brexiters did not inform themselves about the EU
The west did not inform itself about China

we all need to read more widely

@gwenneh

Oh no, have we now gone the way of generalisations about the US? And I was enjoying these threads so much.

Yes, sweeping generalisations always dodgy, and even more so over a very large population.

It's important to acknowledge that the mindsets described above all exist, and exist in large enough numbers to sometimes steer US government.

But also important to acknowledge that there are large numbers of Americans who couldn't be more different.

Some of them being on MN!

Trump may be (temporarily) turning against Fox but the majority of Americans who voted for him do (and will continue to) ‘receive their opinions’ fully formed curtesy of Murdoch and his venal contributors.

Why Joe Biden Must Sideline Fox.
live-crooked-2020.pantheonsite.io/articles/biden-sideline-fox/

Trump may be (temporarily) turning against Fox

My impression was that it was the reverse ?

And Americans may have rejected Trump, but less so Republicanism. Something easier for them than for us in the UK.

The Americans I know who are different don't live in America any more . Obviously, you can't generalise about such a big country but an huge number of people living there voted for Trump again. How can this have happened?

Obviously I don't think the U.K. is in a position to judge really - look at the arseholes in charge here. Americans are culturally very different to British - not worse just different.

The Hannity/Carlson/Pirro brigade are still Trump’s main cheerleaders. He just got peeved because the decision desk called Arizona early.

Obviously I don't think the U.K. is in a position to judge really - look at the arseholes in charge here. Americans are culturally very different to British - not worse just different.

Yep.