Donald has barricaded himself in the WH and we have Georgia on our minds. (Trump thread #113)

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Will Donald pardon the turkeys or will the turkeys pardon Donald?

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Lweji - Did the Reagans open the doors to 45?

America's ugliness has always lurked beneath the surface when not in open view. Trump enabled many of those offended by Obama's presidency to come out of the shadows. In Obama's memoirs:

"It was as if my very presence in the White House had triggered a deep-seated panic, a sense that the natural order had been disrupted" Obama writes. "Which is exactly what Donald Trump understood when he started peddling assertions that I had not been born in the United States and was thus an illegitimate president. For millions of Americans spooked by a Black man in the White House, he promised an elixir for their racial anxiety.

THe New York Times graphic of the margin of win by county across the USA shows how deeply divided the country is.

I'm not sure how it rows back from there

One of the coolest things about Kamala is that she does not identify as black - her prime background is brown
which is key to reaching across the divides without starting inside one of the known silos
and her husband being Jewish defangs another problem
and his ex wife being on excellent terms with them reduces tabloid expose risk.

Interesting times

Close...
But not quite there yet.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/13/trump-biden-white-house-defeat-election

That Vanity Fair article is wonderfully vicious.

"“There will always be private dinner parties for them to attend, but they will be the entertainment,” this person continued. “And Ivanka is no Princess Margaret and Jared is not the Duke of Windsor regaling guests with amusing bon mots to a captive audience. No one wants to hear about Sarah Huckabee’s pies or Steve Bannon’s shirts.”

McNinny claims on twitter one million turned up for millionMaga March.
Independent assessment make it in thousands, not even hundred of thousands

@Nancydrawn

That Vanity Fair article is wonderfully vicious.

"“There will always be private dinner parties for them to attend, but they will be the entertainment,” this person continued. “And Ivanka is no Princess Margaret and Jared is not the Duke of Windsor regaling guests with amusing bon mots to a captive audience. No one wants to hear about Sarah Huckabee’s pies or Steve Bannon’s shirts.”

Yes definitely vicious

'It spread within their social circles, and friends raised eyebrows and privately ridiculed those who had chosen to attend, according to several people familiar with the conversations. Kloss, who did not, was spared. “Karlie is the anti-Ivanka,” a former friend explained. “Independent, self-made, naturally beautiful, and truly authentic.'

Ouch!

I think I know why 45's hair has turned grey.
There were some memes comparing Obama and 45. How one had aged and the other didn't, implying Obama had done actual work during his presidency.
45 wants the same photos, showing how much the Presidency has changed him.
Too little too late.
Despite Pompeo's tour.

Pompeo
apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-paris-mike-pompeo-a548c089f6b89c0dfcf22d2ec2c55e8b

ListeningQuietly - you're the third person on MN that has said that Kamala does not identify as black and I'm curious about the origin of this information. It's entirely her business how she identifies but it's interesting how people seem to be projecting their take on it.

I haven't read her book but, if this source is accurate with its excerpt, it does appear that she embraces her blackness.

In her 2019 autobiography, The Truths We Hold, Harris wrote of how her Indian mother raised her with an appreciation for Indian culture, cooking her daughters Indian food, giving them Indian jewelry, and taking them on trips abroad to visit extended family. But Harris wrote that she was also keenly aware that the world would perceive her and her sister as Black women first and foremost: “My mother understood very well that she was raising two black daughters. She knew that her adopted homeland would see Maya and me as black girls, and she was determined to make sure we would grow into confident, proud black women.”

I imagine that all the wrangling over questions of her self identity is what prompted her to say that she knows who she is and is comfortable with that.

the third person on MN that I've read as saying

Maggie
In her presidential campaign she referred to herself as "this little brown girl" while balling Biden out about bussing.
Her Indian heritage is MASSIVELY important - her grandfather was an Indian diplomat dealing with the UK
Her home cooking is curry not carib
In the US she was deemed black because she is not white
BUT
she is not of US slave extraction (nor was Obama)
Her dad is alive and still an emeritus professor
she will NOT be pigeonholed into the usual US categories
it matters

That's true, but she also went to Howard and is an Alpha Kappa Alpha. The Divine Nine turned out for 2020. The Stroll to the Polls image was one of my favorites of the campaign.

(Which is just to say she has such an interesting heritage with so many connections across America. It's enormously powerful over here--you could see that last Saturday.)

I read that quote as saying that her mother knew they would be deemed to be black in America (as anyone with any black blood at all is, unless she is a politician who looks white in which case she is damned if she mentions having any but white European blood) but made sure they knew that black was not their only heritage, and Kamala is very well aware that she's at least as much Indian as Black.

I still think that someone with one black and one white parent is as much white as black, but Obama was still "the first black president" not "the first president with some black blood", wasn't he.

ListenQuietly - I can't speak much about identity politics in America and certainly don't understand the relevance of being a descendant of slaves to being black.

I've heard her speak proudly of her mum and her Indian family whilst not hearing much about her dad (maybe not much coverage in the UK?) but as Nancydrawn points out she is a Howard alumna and has strong links to the AKA sorority.

The reference to the shade of the skin of "the little brown girl" surely doesn't distance her from black culture?

As I said, it's her business how she identifies and she's a clever woman and will know that people will project their own claims on how she identifies to suit their own agenda.

She knows who she is.

The legacy of slavery in black society and black identity in the USA is a huge thing, as the slightest knowledge of the history of the country will attest.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/kayleigh-mcenany-trump-maga-march-crowd_n_5fb0d399c5b6c5f3d2f81edf?ri18n=true

'White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany spectacularly broke the White House fib meter in an administration with an astounding reputation for lies. She gushed Saturday that the “Million MAGA March” in Washington to protest President Donald Trump’s election loss had more than a million marchers.

She was only off by some 980,000 people — and that’s being generous. Most estimates in the media were “thousands.” The Washington Post characterized McEnany’s tweet as “ludicrous.” '

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-concede-election-covid-susan-rice-b1723102.html

'Susan Rice, a former top diplomat and national security adviser during the Obama administration, is the latest in a group of bipartisan leaders saying Donald Trump’s refusal to concede the election and formally begin the transition process is harming national security.

“The risks to our national security are mounting,” she wrote in an opinion piece on Saturday in the New York Times.

“Vital exchanges of information and expertise that would help combat Covid-19 and jump-start the economy remain stalled,” she added in the article, and argued the delay could “cost us dearly in terms of American lives”.

Ms Rice has been part of three presidential transitions, and said that even after the contested 2000 election, which was settled in the Supreme Court, the outgoing Clinton administration strived to conduct a prompt, thorough process.'

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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'ANTIFA SCUM ran for the hills today when they tried attacking the people at the Trump Rally, because those people aggressively fought back. Antifa waited until tonight, when 99% were gone, to attack innocent #MAGA People. DC Police, get going — do your job and don’t hold back!!!'

That's hilarious. I've been in the square that photo was taken in (stayed in the Marriot on the corner for a few days) - even if the doctored version was the correct crowd density it would not hold even close to a million people.

McNinny does make me laugh. Her first presser she said 'I will never lie to you' to the press pack.
She obviously meant 'I will always lie to you' !!
Million...my arse...

borntobequiet - I’m not dismissing the legacy of slavery in the US and the continuing impact it has on black Americans.

But I doubt that black Americans are distinguished by their lineage as they navigate their everyday lives and the enduring social and economic impact of slavery.

@StatisticallyChallenged

That's hilarious. I've been in the square that photo was taken in (stayed in the Marriot on the corner for a few days) - even if the doctored version was the correct crowd density it would not hold even close to a million people.

Freedom Plaza has a capacity of around 13, 000

That certainly seems right based on the size. I think they're lucky if there were 10k there