Donald has barricaded himself in the WH and we have Georgia on our minds. (Trump thread #113)

[TheNorthWestPawsage]

Will Donald pardon the turkeys or will the turkeys pardon Donald?

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TBF, Julian Assange's Subject Access Request under the Data Protection Act, of all non-classified information held about him by GCHQ, was quite funny.

I'm sure it put the fear of god into all organisations with internal staff gossip boards, since this is of course what he got: staff gossip. You can just imagine the GCHQ Data Protection Officer going, "We don't have to respond to this, do we? Do we? "

www.theguardian.com/media/2013/may/20/julian-assange-gchq-messages-extradition

How are those lawsuits going..

Rachel C. Abrams @rachelabramsny

BREAKING: The law firm alleging voter fraud in PA on behalf of the Trump campaign has RESIGNED.

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/13/business/porter-wright-trump-pennsylvania.html#click=t.co/tLuTdIyugf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.nytimes.com/2020/11/13/business/porter-wright-trump-pennsylvania.html#click=t.co/tLuTdIyugf

It's disturbing. Alex Jones/Infowars etc are actively calling for violence, and these people are armed to the teeth. If Antifa groups show up in numbers it could get very nasty...

I am a lifelong protest marcher, always turned out for every one I could and encouraged my daughters to always do so and speak out without fear (one was even (in her car) on the streets of Warsaw last week) but if I lived in USA right now I am not sure what I would do. It could be very dangerous...

Just putting this here.

In terms of 2024, there's a kind of deliciousness to the situation. A lot of people who know better have decided to become full Trump-stans in order to placate his base with an eye to 2024. Now they're finding that encouraging him may lead to them not being able to run in four years, because there's no way they can primary Donald Trump.

The possibility of watching Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Nikki Haley, Josh Hawley, Tom Cotton, etc. being hoisted by their own petards is giving me delightful schadenfreude.

Trump library! An absolute Work of Art. Perfect.

@Nancydrawn - I'm sorry to be stupid, but I don't understand what you mean when you say: "because there's no way they can primary Donald Trump". Could you kindly explain for a bear of very little brain, please? Thank you.

Outside the WH on Trump’s “wall”.

theDudesmummy
I am a lifelong protest marcher, always turned out for every one I could and encouraged my daughters to always do so and speak out without fear (one was even (in her car) on the streets of Warsaw last week) but if I lived in USA right now I am not sure what I would do. It could be very dangerous...

I really feel that the best thing that could happen is that these clowns turn up with their silly-looking clothes and their guns, and get totally ignored. They can ponce about for a bit and then run out of steam and push off again.

@TheNorthWestPawsage

Outside the WH on Trump’s “wall”.

I really hope there are big Loser signs visible from the Oval Office. Looks like those are all facing outwards...

Pence will not stand.
He has the charisma of a paving stone.

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

theDudesmummy I am a lifelong protest marcher, always turned out for every one I could and encouraged my daughters to always do so and speak out without fear (one was even (in her car) on the streets of Warsaw last week) but if I lived in USA right now I am not sure what I would do. It could be very dangerous...

I really feel that the best thing that could happen is that these clowns turn up with their silly-looking clothes and their guns, and get totally ignored. They can ponce about for a bit and then run out of steam and push off again.

I agree. I wish the major networks would just ignore them or at most mention that the protests are occurring but show no video. But unfortunately covering these yowling yahoos falls under the umbrella of 'if it bleeds it leads' so I'm sure there will be plenty of footage of these fools making idiots of themselves, even on CNN and MSNBC.

And the 'ignoring' part should go for counter-protesters, too. We won, they lost, there's no need to show up to rub their noses in it. No 'points' to be made. Winning made our point, big time.

Especially because that's exactly what they're praying 'the Left' will do. I heard DH's ex-friend once go on about how 'they' are going to show up and 'cause trouble' and how 'we' are going to 'defend ourselves' because 'we need to defend the Country'. He was actually salivating at the thought of being able to go all 'Rambo' on 'those Libtards'.

I will say, though, that I think the rank and file of them (including DH's ex-friend) would probably be more inclined to drop whatever weapon they may be holding and piss their pants in fear than to actually shoot someone.

I hope all counter-protesters steer well clear.

I'm sorry to be stupid, but I don't understand what you mean when you say: "because there's no way they can primary Donald Trump". Could you kindly explain for a bear of very little brain, please? Thank you.

Not stupid at all! I was speaking in opaque shorthand.

In order to be the Republican nominee for president, they would have to win the primary election (where the candidates for each party run against each other). There's no way that, for example, Ted Cruz is going to win a primary against Donald Trump.

The reason this is delicious is because most of the figures who have been following Donald Trump so sycophantically have been doing so because they want to gain his followers. They know Donald Trump is a danger to the republic, but they're willing to kiss his arse in exchange for the chance to have his base follow them when they run in 2024.

But if Trump runs in 2024, that deal-with-the-devil is going to blow up in their faces. They can run in 2028, sure, but by then who knows what the country will look like, if they'll still have name recognition, etc.

["To primary" someone usually means to run against an incumbent in the primary elections. Trump, for example, keeps Republicans in line by threatening to endorse a different Republican candidate in the primary elections. Trump won't actually be the incumbent in 2024, so saying "they can't primary Donald Trump" was very sloppy of me! What I really meant to say is that there's no way they can win in a primary campaign against him--or, at least, that it will be very hard. The Republican party has become a cult of personality, not a political party.]

I really feel that the best thing that could happen is that these clowns turn up with their silly-looking clothes and their guns, and get totally ignored. They can ponce about for a bit and then run out of steam and push off again

Totally agree. Let them make some noise and then eff off.

Incidentally, this shredding things theory:

When the Berlin Wall came down, the Stasi did a lot of shredding, to get rid of the records of who they'd put in prison.

The result was that because they were not worried about the political prisoners, but they did very much want to know about the murderers, rapists and so on who had been put in the prisons, the West German police became really very good indeed at re-constituting shredded records and documents.

If the US can't do it, I'm sure the West Germans would be happy to help Joe Biden!

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/abuse-of-the-rule-of-law-1000-ex-judges-legal-experts-slam-trumps-false-claims-of-voter-fraud/ar-BB1aZ9bh?ocid=st

WASHINGTON – A group of 1,000 attorneys, including retired federal and state judges, state attorneys general and law professors criticized the Trump administration over baseless claims of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election.

He’s coming out again... how long before the covid vaccine update stops being about covid and becomes all about me, me, me, meeeee?

UPDATE from the White House -- The President delivers an update on Operation Warp Speed at 4:00pm.
Rose Garden
twitter.com/meridithmcgraw/status/1327314994464256000?s=21

I like this.

Thank you for the explanation, @Nancydrawn. I've got it now!

@TheNorthWestPawsage I like the picture of his 'wall'. People say the Brita beat the Americans when it comes to cynicism, but they're displaying a fine instinct for rubbing salt in the wound Good on them.

One thing that worries me slightly is all these articles on how much damage Trump could do in his last couple of months. Given he seems to seek out and read all the negative press coverage, what if it's giving him ideas he wouldn't have had otherwise?

Scott Dworkin on Twitter just now:
"BREAKING: Trump campaign drops their frivolous lawsuit in Arizona. They are no longer seeking legal action there."
Might he concede at his 4.00pm briefing?

Plonker who supports him on C4 News says he's likely to concede after the result is certified - that's the 14th Dec, right?
Which is earlier than it seemed it was going yesterday. I think he's crumbling...

Biden wins Georgia ...