To be worried that Biden could be worse than Trump

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Regarding foreign policy that is. I worry that Biden could be more hawk like than Trump and start or get involved in lots of wars? But I’m so pleased Trump is going, i couldn’t stand the man and I remember when he first got in I was petrified he’d start the next big war. But he didn’t and now I worry if Biden will be the one.

Just bizarre...Hardly anyone could be worse than Trump.

@yvanka

Biden is a puppet they used to win, he will step down for Kamala after a few months. He certainly won't be allowed to make any big decisions.

Je will wait two years before stepping down. Just adding my 2 cents in here. Biden is not a warmonger but if Boris and crew dismantle the GFA you can kiss special relationship with the US goodbye. He has been very vocal about that

Biden is odious and yes, a warmonger. Here's another link. Not that anybody seems to be reading the ones already provided.

@Namethief

More concerned about Biden turning his nose up at Boris and refusing to strike a trade deal if Boris fails to secure a deal with the EU. We will be floating out to see without that special relationship.

But a Trade Deal will depend on the GFA being upheld anyway now that we have a decent person in charge. At last.

I wonder if Johnson is concerned at all now.

@LauraBassi @TheSunIsStillShining I've come in for some slack for what I said I see! I should clarify - I'm well aware that the US has done more than its share of dodgy stuff and that it's interventions in the ME (nevermind Vietnam etc) have had disastrous consequences, as well as some very suspect motivations. But, on the whole the second half of the 20th century up to now has been a sustained period of peace and economic growth. We are a remarkably lucky generation to have grown up without a major war. In no small part that's because of the stabilising influence of the US, and the general spirit of international co-operation and global trade that has existed since WW2 (e.g. NATO, UN, EU). The US's move away from those principles and institutions under Trump made us all more vulnerable. (As does Brexit but that's another story.)

Trump has dismantled the Iran Deal, the best chance of preventing a nuclear-armed Iran and fostering good relationships with them, and has dispatched people to make sure it's properly dead before the transition to Biden.

Trump also pulled out of the Paris Accord. Climate change is predicted to be one of the major drivers or future wars in the 21st century.

Biden isn't going to be a dove, and he did plenty of things as VP that I disagreed with, but he's much less likely to be so openly stupid and venal.

A Biden presidency is not good for the UK as we are now effectively isolated.

Johnson past will come back to haunt him. The 'special relationship' is certainly over.

I think we will see him in the international political arena but not in a military capacity. Paris agreement etc.
I am not convinced he is the best man for the job in terms of domestic policy and I don't think he would have won had he been up against a more 'normal ' opponent.

generally the US has acted as a stabilising force globally since WW1

Holy fuck, what do you call Vietnam?!

Jesus wept. Come on Mumsnet sort out the bots!

Yeah, I don't think Johnson's description of Obama as having a "part-Kenyan president’s ancestral dislike of the British empire" was a particularly savvy call, as it turns out.

(Obama people are still really pissed about that, particularly as it landed during some peak birther nonsense. Biden is a good enough politician to put it to the side if needed, but it was dumb af to say.) (Also racist.)

[quote 3ormorecharacters]**@LauraBassi* @TheSunIsStillShining* I've come in for some slack for what I said I see! I should clarify - I'm well aware that the US has done more than its share of dodgy stuff and that it's interventions in the ME (nevermind Vietnam etc) have had disastrous consequences, as well as some very suspect motivations. But, on the whole the second half of the 20th century up to now has been a sustained period of peace and economic growth. We are a remarkably lucky generation to have grown up without a major war. In no small part that's because of the stabilising influence of the US, and the general spirit of international co-operation and global trade that has existed since WW2 (e.g. NATO, UN, EU). The US's move away from those principles and institutions under Trump made us all more vulnerable. (As does Brexit but that's another story.)[/quote]
Peace to the west !! ( all the white people) Jesus you have no idea do you! Tony Blair’s and Bush need to be tried for war crimes over what they did in Iraq!

They absolutely did not stabilise the country they fucking made it worse by creating a massive power vacuum which enable Daesh to get a strong hold.

The US took out a very very powerful dictator who was able to keep these extremist fractions at bay at with out making sure there was some one else to take the Saddams place. It make my wonder with all the intelligence the US has access to - why did they not know that this would happen? Or did they?

No one could be worse than Trump.

Even if Biden turns out to be secretly evil, at least he's an intelligent human being. It's easier to negotiate with an evil genius than it is with a complete moron. I do wonder how many people around the entire world breathed the same collective sigh of relief when the news broke.

I'm sure most world leaders (excluding any dictators etc) probably did a little happy dance, even if they'll never admit it.

@MrsMichaelPalin

A Biden presidency is not good for the UK as we are now effectively isolated.

Johnson past will come back to haunt him. The 'special relationship' is certainly over.

Well, we elected Boris. We did this to ourselves.

I am of course sad at the car crash that our country is, but I can still be happy for the Americans who are getting their country back from the grasp of an idiot.

Maybe the realisation that the US won't want to work with Boris will be the final nail in his coffin after we crash out of Europe next year without any real plans/agreements.

I read he was a devout catholic so I’m assuming he is pro life.. despite what he tells voters

[quote frumpety]@Somerford , do you remember Ronald Reagan bombing Libiya back in 1986 ?[/quote]
I think the mistake you've made here is imagining that I have an allegiance to the Republicans. Politics is not a team sport for me. Disastrous foreign policy is disastrous regardless of who implements it and the OP here has a legitimate concern. Joe Biden is a corporate Democrat and he was VP to Obama, whose record in North Africa and the Middle East is objectively appalling.

@CharlieBoo

I read he was a devout catholic so I’m assuming he is pro life.. despite what he tells voters

Many American Catholics are pro choice.

Biden was a senator for 36 years, I think we'd know by now if he was full of it.

@Cacacoisfarraige

Talking of dementia, the amount of posters who seem to forget no matter how many times it is patiently explained to them that Biden has a stutter and has to work hard to manage it.

I'm a former SALT. A stutter/stammer/dysfluency does not make you say 'George' when you mean to say 'Trump'. You're too young to remember Ronald Reagan when Nancy was feeding him lines. Biden is a better person than Trump but you can't disguise disease and aging.

So people base their internet diagnosis of dementia on someone getting names mixed-up? You should hear me calling my kids, especially if I’m stressed or in a rush, I must have been affected by dementia for years and years.

@LadyWithLapdog

So people base their internet diagnosis of dementia on someone getting names mixed-up? You should hear me calling my kids, especially if I’m stressed or in a rush, I must have been affected by dementia for years and years.

I do to. I sometimes go through four or five names before I get to the one I want to actually use. But then it’s because I’m distracted.

Biden should have been utterly focused.

Maybe he was tired.

@ArabellaScott

generally the US has acted as a stabilising force globally since WW1

Holy fuck, what do you call Vietnam?!

And the Middle East.

@XingMing

The US is one of the most isolationist nations on the planet. They seek to influence politics behind the scenes, support their preferred interests, but the nation has little conviction that overseas adventures are in the real interest of the USA.

What do you mean by isolationist? Maybe in the last 4 years, but I grew up in a few different countries and Americans were often intervening very publicly, helping to train local armies, supporting governments and pushing the war on drugs very hard. Certainly not just silently backing their preferred interests.

I was only talking to some old school friends about how most people in the West have no idea how much influence the US wielded in the non western world. Unless you just mean the trump administration you're mistaken

Nobody could be worse than Trump. It’s just not possible.

100% spot on.

No other living human being could even come close to being worse than him as a president.

I question anyone who even thinks it's a remote possibility.