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To be worried that Biden could be worse than Trump

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almondfingers22 · 09/11/2020 18:37

Regarding foreign policy that is. I worry that Biden could be more hawk like than Trump and start or get involved in lots of wars? But I’m so pleased Trump is going, i couldn’t stand the man and I remember when he first got in I was petrified he’d start the next big war. But he didn’t and now I worry if Biden will be the one.

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pointythings · 13/11/2020 07:30

ClareBlue how about tax cuts that benefited the rich more than anyone else? Beefing up ICE and deporting people who had been valued contributors to US society for decades? Abolishing DACA? The Muslim ban? Reinstating the global gag rule? Stacking the court with rabid conservatives with the aim of overturning Roe vs Wade? You may like those policies, but that would say a lot about the kind of person you are.

longwayoff · 13/11/2020 08:18

Biden - "I'm Irish" - has, I believe, already started work by phoning Bozo and suggesting that the thuggish approach to politics, evidenced in US and by the Vote Leave orchestrators in Number 10, is over. So goodbye Cummings and friends. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Thanks Joe, a fine start.

blueangel19 · 13/11/2020 08:58

Cummings said he would resigned by the end of 2020 a while ago. Let’s not make little stories.

PerkingFaintly · 13/11/2020 09:25

I came back on the thread to say something about Trump but am sitting here ShockGrinShockGrinShock at blueangel's comment about Cummings.

Let's not make little stories about "I drove to Barnard Castle to check my eyesight" Cummings?

GrinGrinGrin

(By the way, I'd love to see where Cummings said he would actually resign by they end of 2020, as opposed to just change the amount or focus of his work in No 10. Oh, and I don't mean in a blog retrospectively edited to try to make it look like he said something months ago.Grin)

longwayoff · 13/11/2020 09:31

Nice try blueangel. Still waving here. Bye Lee. Bi Den.

PerkingFaintly · 13/11/2020 10:10

Anyway, what I actually came on to say was in response to ClareBlue about what Trump has actually done.

In addition to the policies described by pointything, and that's not a full list by any means, Trump has done enormous damage to the institutions of democracy in the US.

His current behaviour is a case in point.

Yes, he is not legally obliged to concede. He is not breaking the law by mounting legal challenges and making the US wait until the votes to be certified. But there's no doubt he has lost the election. As yet there is no credible evidence of fraud, certainly not on the scale of 10s of 1000s required for him to win. He's spinning it out just because he likes to do things like this (which is where personality becomes important – especially with someone as extreme as Trump). And this is having real-world consequences. The incoming administration cannot get security briefings and cannot get the official transition funding which is allocated to ensure the US doesn't have lapses every time it changes president. In the middle of a pandemic killing 100s of 1000s of Americans, when the new team has to hit the ground running.

Trump's refusal to concede is also winding up the rasher part of his base who like to do things like drive cars into crowds or travel to other states with weapons to spend the day play-acting policeman and eventually shoot people.

He's not the first candidate to lose an election. It's not even a particularly close election, or one with obvious issues like hanging chads. Other losing candidates concede for the good of the country. Trump isn't interested in the good of the country.

And it's all like this.

Eg We don't know whether Russia's proven attempts to influence the 2016 election were successful, but Trump acts like they were and is beholden to Putin (and also easily played by him emotionally). Trump has openly said he believes Putin over US security services; he dismisses US translators and has discussions with Putin without any US officials present; he rips up documents daily instead of letting the records office file them; he demands the director of the FBI give him personal loyalty instead of keeping the oath of loyalty to serve The People, and fires that FBI director for not putting Trump above The People. And we can be sure that Trump demands similar personal loyalty from other servants of The People.

I could go on.

Even if I liked his policies, I'd still be horrified at his attempts to dismantle the institutions which secure democracy in the US.

Parker231 · 13/11/2020 10:12

CNN news report - “We are watching ‘America First’ give way to ‘Me First’...The President has not spoken publicly for a week. He hasn’t received a national security briefing since October 2nd. As far as we know, he’s not met with his Covid task force since August 4th.”

PizzzaExpressWoking · 13/11/2020 10:41

Donald Trump has had so many rape and sexual assault allegations and charges made against him, they literally have their own Wikipedia page. Five women have made formal allegations in court over everything from rape to groping. He's been accused of sexually or indecently assaulting 25 women (and a book published last year documented 43 separate sexual assault allegations). He's been caught on tape admitting to sexually assaulting women. There are many credible accounts of him using his ownership of the Miss Teen USA pageant to enter the teenage girls' dressing rooms unannounced often walking in on them naked or topless - these girls were aged 15-19. He's been accused of raping a 13-year-old-girl, and has links with Epstein.

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 13/11/2020 11:19

Teflon Don, eh?

LadyWithLapdog · 13/11/2020 11:40

www.indy100.com/article/donald-trump-election-us-russia-joe-biden-ice-9711801?amp Here’s a brief and superficial list of some of Trump’s wrongdoings. I did the following:

  • went to google
  • typed in “what has trump done wrong”
  • chose one of the top selections, there are many pages to chose from

HTH the poster who didn’t know what he did wrong apart from grabbing the odd woman by the pussy, as that’s ok for her/him.

Parker231 · 13/11/2020 11:46

One of the reasons Trump wants to stay in office is for the legal protection. Lots of potential legal action against him once he’s out of office.

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 13/11/2020 12:21

And he thinks he can get a preemptive self pardon arranged for himself (and his clan?) 🤡

Parker231 · 13/11/2020 15:20

A law firm representing Trump's campaign in attempt to block Pennsylvania's vote for Biden is leaving the case. I wonder if they told Trump he wouldn’t be successful and he sacked them!

longwayoff · 13/11/2020 22:12

Look, @blueangel19, that little story walking straight out of the door. Final wave 👋👋👋 Bye Dom.

Bluethrough · 13/11/2020 23:21

@blueangel19

Cummings said he would resigned by the end of 2020 a while ago. Let’s not make little stories.
Is this the same Cummings that edited (in April 2020) a 2019 blog that states he (DC) predicted the Covid pandemic?

Cummings like Cain has been kicked out, probably because Trump will be gone. Brexit isn't in the USA's interests, the US likes a stable europe and that, since the 1950s has been achieved by EEC/EU.

I expect the UK to have ever closer ties with the EU over the next few years, public opinion is against Brexit now.

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