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To be worried that Biden could be worse than Trump

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almondfingers22 · 09/11/2020 18:37

Regarding foreign policy that is. I worry that Biden could be more hawk like than Trump and start or get involved in lots of wars? But I’m so pleased Trump is going, i couldn’t stand the man and I remember when he first got in I was petrified he’d start the next big war. But he didn’t and now I worry if Biden will be the one.

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knittingaddict · 09/11/2020 19:29

So you've plucked this "fear" out of thin air?

Many countries around the World will have a pretty good idea about who Biden is. He was vice president after all. They don't seem worried. Very much the opposite.

Almost no one could be worst than Trump at foreign relations.

Nandakanda · 09/11/2020 19:30

We'll see.

The Chinese are behaving aggressively at the moment - especially with regard to Taiwan. His hand may be forced. Then there's G W Bush's gift to posterity - Iraq - you never know what direction events might take in that region. Azerbaijan being nasty to Armenia, although US involvement is unlikely. North Africa/Sahel unpredictable: US/French forces already in the area.

Trump was actually fairly good from a world conflict point of view. The unpredictable strongman act was quite intimidating. George W Bush was dire. Quite a few apprehensive people in east Asia now that didn't mind Trump at all.

ArabellaScott · 09/11/2020 19:30

Not unreasonable, at all. The US is a violent presence, internationally. Most presidents so far have been quite happy to send in drones, approve extra-judicial killings, let Guantanamo operate outwith international law, start wars when convenient.

I think Trump was terrible for the US, but internationally, he wasn't really much worse - and in some ways, due to being so isolationist - I think the world had a bit of a break from US empire building.

Brighterthansunflowers · 09/11/2020 19:31

YABU

This is an issue of your anxiety not with Biden.

psychomath · 09/11/2020 19:31

I was very worried about that with Hillary Clinton (to the point where I was actually quite on the fence about who I wanted to win the last election), but I haven't seen evidence that Biden is keen on starting wars. Especially at the moment, when he has enough trouble to deal with at home.

peboh · 09/11/2020 19:31

@Namethief

More concerned about Biden turning his nose up at Boris and refusing to strike a trade deal if Boris fails to secure a deal with the EU. We will be floating out to see without that special relationship.
As he should. Why should they have to pick up a deal because our crappy government couldn't secure one?
CeibaTree · 09/11/2020 19:32

@Namethief

More concerned about Biden turning his nose up at Boris and refusing to strike a trade deal if Boris fails to secure a deal with the EU. We will be floating out to see without that special relationship.
Brexit is not Biden's responsibility though - he and Obama advised against it, so being concerned about his response to it is kind of shifting the blame from the Tory's whose fuck up it is 🤷🏻‍♀️
Queenest · 09/11/2020 19:32

You may find this article on Biden interesting

EveryDayIsADuvetDay · 09/11/2020 19:33

Well at least he's not batshit, orange, a self obsessed egotist, or ...... Trump.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 09/11/2020 19:36

generally the US has acted as a stabilising force globally since WW1, helping to promote and maintain democracy across the world

On the contrary - the US has destabilised many situations, and supported many nasty regimes in order to protect their own interests

I don't think Biden is much "nicer" than Trump, but I think he is less dangerous. I worry that he is buying into the self-ID trans movement (not against trans, just against self-ID on a whim with no supporting evidence and no intention of hormone/surgery) which I think is very dangerous for women and children and buses a lot of practical problems; I also understand that he is a pro-lifer, which means that women do not have authority over their own bodies, and I don't like that.

WotWouldCJDo · 09/11/2020 19:37

So you've plucked this "fear" out of thin air?

Quite.

MissConductUS · 09/11/2020 19:42

I also understand that he is a pro-lifer, which means that women do not have authority over their own bodies, and I don't like that.

Not sure where you are getting that, he's clearly pro-choice.

www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54003808

4ds02719 · 09/11/2020 19:43

No, I think he will be conciliatory.

4ds02719 · 09/11/2020 19:44

If you had some basis for this fear it would be easier to engage with it.

ilovemydogandmrobama2 · 09/11/2020 19:45

@MissConductUS

Yank here. There is absolutely no basis to think that Biden is keen to start wars.
Well, he was the VP for the Obama administration which did unfortunately get involved in foreign wars.

Am anti Trump, however the one good thing he did was his lack of sending troops abroad.

frumpety · 09/11/2020 19:49

@ilovemydogandmrobama2 which conflicts did Obama get involved with that he personally started ? That's the OP's fear , that Biden will personally start the next one, how likely do you think that is ?

stickygotstuck · 09/11/2020 19:50

@VinylDetective

Nobody could be worse than Trump. It’s just not possible.
This.
Livelovebehappy · 09/11/2020 19:53

The reality is he was voted in on the back of widespread hatred for Trump. It wasn’t a case of people liking Biden, but that anyone would be better than Trump. Now is the time when people will probably be scrutinising exactly who he is and what he represents. I predict anti Biden threads before he completes a year in office.

Randominternetbitch · 09/11/2020 19:55

Say what now, Biden starting a war??! Time to step away from the gin love.

frumpety · 09/11/2020 19:56

There is a difference between being involved in a conflict because of actions of a previous administration and actually starting a whole brand new war somewhere where the USA hasn't been involved for decades, which is what I think the OP is alluding to ? Perhaps @almondfingers22 could clarify ?

PerkingFaintly · 09/11/2020 19:59

That's a pretty easy prediction given there are anti-Biden threads already.Grin Not only before he's in office, but before Trump's even accepted Biden is the next POTUS.

Regardless of what the Not Trump Not Republican president does, there will be threads on MN against him.

MitziK · 09/11/2020 20:04

@Thisseatisnotavailable

What makes you think that Biden is about to start a war?
And what makes you think that Trump won't try during his notice period?
Livelovebehappy · 09/11/2020 20:08

perkingfaintly maybe I should have worded it differently ..’lots more anti Biden threats...’. I would say 99.9% of mumsnet threads are pretty much pro Biden.